OT Border Control State of Emergency

[KerrAvon]

If you mean that we have to maintain working relationships with our trading partners then I agree with you. And given that the size of the UK makes us the junior party in the relationship between us and the EU is an inevitable consequence of the referendum vote.

[ragingpup]

The UK is indeed being held over a barrel. We still need to comply with the EU whether we like it or not. For the foreseeable future we have to suck it up and accommodate many people travelling to the UK from far away places.
It's one huge trade off.

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

No but it?s their destination of choice

[UlleyMiller]

Spuddy - just checking - do you think that the UK is the only place in Europe that people are travelling to en masse to seek asylum?

SS is right that the UK is over a barrel, and that's the reason any solution must be diplomatic - we have very little leverage. Unlike most EU countries we'll likely be the target end point for all migrants entering (others will be either an end point or part of the journey, so even with a very difficult number to report already, the numbers in the EU will be less informative than those for the UK).

You don't need to be especially well-travelled, or an expert researcher to get sight of the reality though. Italy, Germany, Greece and France all have migrant populations which are (at least to my tourist eye) seemingly less than legal. In Italy the locals speak pretty openly about the migrants being put to work by organised crime rings, and seeing how they operate in other places I'd imagine it's not dissimilar. I appreciate why UK residents feel we're worst hit, and many seem to have theories and even form opinions on how political parties would quickly resolve the problem, but I've yet to see any solution which is workable (aside from those which would financially cripple us).

I didn't vote in 2016 (mainly because I felt the whole thing was ridiculous, not because of any leaning in either direction), but it seems clear to me that the outcome has massively impacted our ability to be part of a meaningful solution. Thousands of miles of coastline and huge options on land just to enter Europe make it relatively easy to access, so the solution will never be 'manning the line'. It's a huge, complex problem, and I'd be reluctant to think anyone sat sharing opinions online would be close to finding the answer.

[rolymiller]

Time for the mods shut this thread down and the feckin lot down while they are a it. It is a disgrace to Football message boards and surely one of the most racist tolerant sites that has ever existed in this sphere of communication. Much as i dislike the wendies they do not get this sort of s hite on their fan sites simply because it is properly moderated.

Our mods are a disgrace for allowing such unsubstantiated drivel to be published on a Football website. Maybe it reflects their own twisted and intolerant views of human beings on this planet? Disgusting, disgraceful and dangerous....

[Stovicmiller]

Time for the mods shut this thread down and the feckin lot down while they are a it. It is a disgrace to Football message boards and surely one of the most racist tolerant sites that has ever existed in this sphere of communication. Much as i dislike the wendies they do not get this sort of s hite on their fan sites simply because it is properly moderated.

Our mods are a disgrace for allowing such unsubstantiated drivel to be published on a Football website. Maybe it reflects their own twisted and intolerant views of human beings on this planet? Disgusting, disgraceful and dangerous....

**** off fatboy , you were the one who reacted with glee on this site when Farage was attacked in Barnsley. You’ve accused posters of being racists but won’t name them because you’ve got no *******s , probably because you’ve not seen em for years. Name them .

[Shark27]

How would you stop it, Bill?

Rwanda has been the best idea put forward so far.

[KerrAvon]

Rwanda has been the best idea put forward so far.

A ludicrously expensive scheme to send a handful of people to a country that is so safe that the UK has accepted asylum claims from Rwandan citizens?

There was no evidence of it discouraging anyone when the Tories were introducing it.

To describe that as best certainly demonstrates how difficult it is to come up with solutions.

[ragingpup]

No but it?s their destination of choice

Why do more asylum seekers choose to seek asylum in Germany, Spain, France and Italy, than the uk then? Significantly more?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Time for the mods shut this thread down and the feckin lot down while they are a it. It is a disgrace to Football message boards and surely one of the most racist tolerant sites that has ever existed in this sphere of communication. Much as i dislike the wendies they do not get this sort of s hite on their fan sites simply because it is properly moderated.

Our mods are a disgrace for allowing such unsubstantiated drivel to be published on a Football website. Maybe it reflects their own twisted and intolerant views of human beings on this planet? Disgusting, disgraceful and dangerous....

Please explain why it is racist

[Shark27]

A ludicrously expensive scheme to send a handful of people to a country that is so safe that the UK has accepted asylum claims from Rwandan citizens?

There was no evidence of it discouraging anyone when the Tories were introducing it.

To describe that as best certainly demonstrates how difficult it is to come up with solutions.

Of course there was no evidence of discouraging because it never happened.

I wouldn’t go by the UKs acceptance of asylum seekers as an answer to anything.

[KerrAvon]

The Rwanda scheme was trailed for months, potential deportees were detained and the first flight was a few minutes away from take-off (with a grand total of seven people on board) before it was stopped by legal action.

And through all that, not a hint of a deterrent effect.

Which all goes to show that even the most expensive of gimmicks are still gimmicks.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

The Rwanda scheme was trailed for months, potential deportees were detained and the first flight was a few minutes away from take-off (with a grand total of seven people on board) before it was stopped by legal action.

And through all that, not a hint of a deterrent effect.

Which all goes to show that even the most expensive of gimmicks are still gimmicks.

But the important bit - the legal people made a killing

[Shark27]

The Rwanda scheme was trailed for months, potential deportees were detained and the first flight was a few minutes away from take-off (with a grand total of seven people on board) before it was stopped by legal action.

And through all that, not a hint of a deterrent effect.

Which all goes to show that even the most expensive of gimmicks are still gimmicks.

In other words, it never happened.

[Stovicmiller]

How would you stop it, Bill?

To start with give em **** all when they get here . Definitely not nice warm hotels with three meals a day , clothes phones , discounted tickets for rothervalley dinghy and sailing trips , I did hear that they reached the other side of the lake and tried to claim asylum again . It was in a national newspaper about Rotherham council giving discounts so don’t know if that’s true. Give em cardboard to sleep under like our homeless.