Thomas Holmes Injured

[rolymiller]

Just to add.

I think the suggestion woody comes back is not a totally daft idea. I would still think he's reasonably fit to play for a few weeks to allow others to come back

We could go down the route of a mon contract player but we would be signing players with no pre season behind them and a likelihood they would break down as well. Also I doubt TS would sanction it as overspent already.

The only other things are the untried young uns. It may work out stan started at 17 but he had a good old pro at the side of him in tommy Spencer. We dont have a tommy Spencer at the club.

The other issue is of course, not only can we not afford any more injuries to our cbs now we cant afford any suspensions either. A straight red for one of our cbs and a 3 match ban and we are extra buggered. It May also suggest that our cbs will need to be told to be extra careful on challenges. It all adds up to a weakened defence dunt it?

[rolymiller]

Another solution would be to convert another player to a cb. The obvious one for me is hugill, he dunt do much up front. In saying that we would be a forrud short even if it worked.

We are also gonna have to quit the 3 cbs at the back now as well go for a for a flat 4 with 2cbs and 2 fbs.

[Upthemillers14]

I offer pal an alternative view, if some want to shoot me down crack on but, I think the team are being over trained.

If the stats are true that Ross runs the backroom staff on 5k runs daily (25k a week) before training begins, then what is happening to the team in training?. They are the professionals out there kicking and moving the ball about so have to be deemed fitter but to what cost?

I have never played pro football but have coached and mentored young players. Football isn't always about running, running, running it's more than that. Yes you have to have good cardio training but there is also a limit to what you do to yourself with other parts of your body.

I don't expect any player to out the fact they are being over trained as that may be seen as a sign of weakness but, I'll edge a bet some are being over pushed to their limits. Is it the old Warne mentality to beast the team to pure greyhound fitness that Hammy is trying and it's costing him...who knows?

I for one just cannot accept the amount of injuries we have incurred in such a short space of time at the beginning of a season. Soz but that's how I see things. Feel free to ridicule my points but please also offer the respect of me posting them as I do yours and everyone else's.

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

Shouldn't club doctor be telling MH that he is over working the players in training, with the injuries.
MH it would seem is a fitness coach, similar to a fitness coach in a gym / personal trainer comes to mind, but people going to a gym don't play a game of football after the work outs.
True we had Warne a fitness coach, come manager.
But a human body will only take so much, before problems arise.

[RU66]

Got Douglas back what's the panic. Baptist also. Get young players in if they're good enough. I'd have McGuckin in any day for Kaleta whose ok till he's got ball at his feet!

[Townerslovechild]

Holmes had a great debut, but got injured on the field of play, so no conspiracy there.
As for the others, if you were being logical you'd say all teams get injuries, we've just had one or two more than usual.
However, last week the manager said he was going to look into this,so maybe even he thinks it's not right.
Over training.....I want our team to be the finist,it's one way we can beat teams,and Ross Burbery was fitness coach when Warne was manager, and we didn't this amount of injuries then.
But it is a worry and bit of a conundrum what's happened so far,we seem to be permanently short of strikers and CBs,not a good situation.

[Lolmorgan]

He’s only played 35 games in 5yrs, his last club he was loaned to was Dender in the Belgium Lge he lasted 2 games before being injured.Sign crocks & that’s what you get.

[Derbymiller]

I would imagine that everyone at the club is concerned about the level of injuries as well as the nature of them. From TS point he is paying workers large sums of money to be footballers and they are not able to to the job, due to this issue.
This hasn't just been this season though, we have suffered from significant injuries to key players over the last 3 or so years, the relegation season in the championship we were riddled with injuries to key players at key times.
Like most on here I have no idea why, we are all speculating and that is because we are fans and it is a subject we care about. If you look over the longer period our recruitment doesn't seem to have helped. In the championship we had to take more of a gamble on players because it was all we could afford, but last year we had a big budget and is Doncaster's budget a lot bigger than ours? They seem to have built a squad with depth and generally fit players. There is something very wrong and I suspect that fixing it will take months not weeks and we don't have months. We don't have a good squad of available players and at the moment any manager would do very well to keep this team in this league. I think if TS is willing we have to gamble on a couple of free agents (risky as it is) and bring some of the kids forward earlier than MH wanted, like Duncan, Ayres, Clark etc. I do like the idea of Hugill at CB as an emergency option, he can't do much worse than he does up top.

[Heliosphan78]

He’s only played 35 games in 5yrs, his last club he was loaned to was Dender in the Belgium Lge he lasted 2 games before being injured.Sign crocks & that’s what you get.

He's made 38 appearances in the last 2 years according to what I just read. And before that, he was making 30+ appearances each season for Reading several years running.

[caytonmiller]

Another solution would be to convert another player to a cb. The obvious one for me is hugill, he dunt do much up front. In saying that we would be a forrud short even if it worked.

We are also gonna have to quit the 3 cbs at the back now as well go for a for a flat 4 with 2cbs and 2 fbs.

That's what we played on Saturday. 2 CB and 2 FB

[Brin]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

Thank you for posting this, I feel justified.

[Pocket rocket]

Thank you for posting this, I feel justified.

I’m sorry but have the club confirmed this?
Until then and it may or may not be true nobody is right or justified with anything.
It’s like the emotional state of what’s happened as to what people say has happened.
If it’s true then let’s wait till the club confirm that Ross is to blame for this.
I’ll wait for the club to confirm it rather than some bloke on a message board.
Then I’ll be live it’s true.

[CAMiller]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

10-12km is what an average player covers in a game so 22km over 2 days might be excessive for training or maybe just trying to prepare them for games? 4.30/km is nowhere near pro marathon pace, that's 4.30/mile. 4.30/km is twice the speed of a brisk walk or one third the speed of a full sprint.

I'm not arguing the merits of the training regime, just trying to frame the figures more accurately.

[Yak]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

I?m guessing you have a sports science degree etc?
You obviously know better than the professionals then.
Long story short your opinion is now a fact.
Our supporters are an unbelievable at times.

[Old_time_miller]

The plain fact is, if you haven?t had a proper pre season, not played much (as in this case probably), prone to injury, and older player, asked to come in and play in a physical style or intensity you are not just used to, chase around doing everything others should be doing (as seemed the case in this instance) - all the scenarios will leave any player more likely to get injured.

It?s no good spouting that it?s a rare type of injury, it is not relevant. That is just blindsiding. Avoiding the issue.