Polanski

[baggieal]

Apart from the obvious who would vote for this deranged moron? Even his own family have disowned him!

That lunatic stabbed two innocent Jews and was grappling with the same knife and Polanski calls the Police out. It could only happen in this country! In the US that nutter most likely would have been shot with the Police at risk. Many law abiding citizens in this country would have run the nutter over in their car given a chance!

Those two police officers were brave and deserve credit for a restrained response with their safety at risk. Polanski needs sectioning!

[Albionic68]

Nonce........ and most of his films were overrated .

[Leicesterbaggie]

Another politician who is a head case. With the likes of Trump, Putin, the little rocket man etc., it is becoming a trend!

[Omegstrat6]

Another politician who is a head case. With the likes of Trump, Putin, the little rocket man etc., it is becoming a trend!

Totally with you on Trump, Putin and so many more but while I think Polanski is detached from reality, even those who espouse apparent nonsense can raise genuine concerns sometimes.

We know that the US/Israeli attack on Iran has further inflamed already concerning levels of anti-Semitism in this country and that Jewish communities are living in increasing fear. We know that this attacker quite deliberately set out to target innocent Jewish members of the public, to injure or kill them and we (subsequently) found out that he has some mental health issues beyond any blind religious hatred. But we need to forget all the noise and rhetoric around all this for a moment to see what Polanski is questioning.

The actions of this man were heinous and he deserves punishment but the job of the Police, however difficult or tempting, is not to meet out retribution but to apprehend so that the suspect can go through the due process of law. Stray away from that, and it's a very slippery slope.

This is all about the use of "appropriate" force and lots of factors come into this, including the experience and training of those involved.

The attacker had been tasered and was being restrained on the ground by two officers. He still had a hold of the knife however, was not fully subdued, and refused to let go of the knife despite repeated demands to do so.

The question is surely then how the officers could disarm him without putting themselves (or anyone else) at further risk. We all know that kicking someone in the head might be effective but is also likely to lead to serious injury, brain damage or even death. So the pertinent question -which to me is a quite valid one-is whether this was the right option for the officers to use? Could they have got the knife off him by other means, however much force that may have taken-a dislocated or broken arm would be less life threatening than repeated kicks to the head for example.

For the vast majority of people, untrained in restraint techniques and in fear of their lives, kicking him in the head to both get the knife off him and protect themselves would be seen as being quite a reasonable response. For those supposedly trained, however, it might be reasonable to expect them to have other options available to them. Isn't that the point Polanski is making? There might not have been other viable options available to them of course and the officers would both be vindicated but armed Police have to (rightly) go through an investigation to ensure that any decision to discharge their weapons is justifiable so surely this isn't so different given that kicking someone in the head could be lethal?

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with a lot of the things Polanski says and his idealism is too often divorced from reality but I think the question he asks is a valid one and that does not in anyway detract from the bravery of the officers involved.

[baggieal]

Totally with you on Trump, Putin and so many more but while I think Polanski is detached from reality, even those who espouse apparent nonsense can raise genuine concerns sometimes.

We know that the US/Israeli attack on Iran has further inflamed already concerning levels of anti-Semitism in this country and that Jewish communities are living in increasing fear. We know that this attacker quite deliberately set out to target innocent Jewish members of the public, to injure or kill them and we (subsequently) found out that he has some mental health issues beyond any blind religious hatred. But we need to forget all the noise and rhetoric around all this for a moment to see what Polanski is questioning.

The actions of this man were heinous and he deserves punishment but the job of the Police, however difficult or tempting, is not to meet out retribution but to apprehend so that the suspect can go through the due process of law. Stray away from that, and it's a very slippery slope.

This is all about the use of "appropriate" force and lots of factors come into this, including the experience and training of those involved.

The attacker had been tasered and was being restrained on the ground by two officers. He still had a hold of the knife however, was not fully subdued, and refused to let go of the knife despite repeated demands to do so.

The question is surely then how the officers could disarm him without putting themselves (or anyone else) at further risk. We all know that kicking someone in the head might be effective but is also likely to lead to serious injury, brain damage or even death. So the pertinent question -which to me is a quite valid one-is whether this was the right option for the officers to use? Could they have got the knife off him by other means, however much force that may have taken-a dislocated or broken arm would be less life threatening than repeated kicks to the head for example.

For the vast majority of people, untrained in restraint techniques and in fear of their lives, kicking him in the head to both get the knife off him and protect themselves would be seen as being quite a reasonable response. For those supposedly trained, however, it might be reasonable to expect them to have other options available to them. Isn't that the point Polanski is making? There might not have been other viable options available to them of course and the officers would both be vindicated but armed Police have to (rightly) go through an investigation to ensure that any decision to discharge their weapons is justifiable so surely this isn't so different given that kicking someone in the head could be lethal?

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with a lot of the things Polanski says and his idealism is too often divorced from reality but I think the question he asks is a valid one and that does not in anyway detract from the bravery of the officers involved.

But the question is would most reasonable people care if this lump of s hit suffered brain damage? The Police carried out their job professionally. Had the scum bag not intended to murder two innocent victims and did not have the knife some could say this was then excessive force. It was crystal clear to everyone that he tried to kill two innocents and would not let go of the knife. A member of the public would have been within their rights to have rammed him in a car to stop this murderous intent. I would have done! The Police should be allowed to make a professional call on the circumstances on the spot. For example when it was clear Lee Rigby was being beheaded the police should have shot that piece of vermin dead - as they would have done in many other countries.

Most are sick of these Palestinian marches and many cause hatred with disgusting chants towards innocent Jews. Even gutless Starmer has identified that. If these protesters feel so strongly why don?t they transport themselves and their flags to Gaza? The cost of policing and the damage from some of these marches is spiralling out of control. It?s a pity all these old uns with nose piercings and purple hair don?t get a life and tune into what Ken Barlow is up to.

As for the Regime in Iran and Hezbollah I hope they get turned into ash. I don?t see any of these nutters protesting about 12,000 innocents in Iran being gunned down and the misery caused by Hezbollah but that?s different. Even many of the neighbouring countries to Iran are pleased short term this regime are getting battered. If anybody does think Iran would use a nuclear bomb if they could are deluded so deep is their hatred.

Back to Polanski - what a complete freak advocating that all refugees should be welcomed. Does nobody not think this country will end up bankrupt as many of the cities even now are unrecognisable and assaults on women are frequent now! That Brighton attack was truly disgusting - one was an Iranian and another an Egyptian with a criminal record. Why are they here? Who takes responsibility for this?

[baggieal]

A classic one. Reform have pledged that detention centres for Migrants should be in Green constituencies. Whether you like Reform or not this is 100% a great one. Greens are advocating refugees are all welcome so they can?t have their cake and eat it! Don?t vote Green in a constituency if you don?t want these people within 😭. It?s really that simple.

[albion68]

Totally with you on Trump, Putin and so many more but while I think Polanski is detached from reality, even those who espouse apparent nonsense can raise genuine concerns sometimes.

We know that the US/Israeli attack on Iran has further inflamed already concerning levels of anti-Semitism in this country and that Jewish communities are living in increasing fear. We know that this attacker quite deliberately set out to target innocent Jewish members of the public, to injure or kill them and we (subsequently) found out that he has some mental health issues beyond any blind religious hatred. But we need to forget all the noise and rhetoric around all this for a moment to see what Polanski is questioning.

The actions of this man were heinous and he deserves punishment but the job of the Police, however difficult or tempting, is not to meet out retribution but to apprehend so that the suspect can go through the due process of law. Stray away from that, and it's a very slippery slope.

This is all about the use of "appropriate" force and lots of factors come into this, including the experience and training of those involved.

The attacker had been tasered and was being restrained on the ground by two officers. He still had a hold of the knife however, was not fully subdued, and refused to let go of the knife despite repeated demands to do so.

The question is surely then how the officers could disarm him without putting themselves (or anyone else) at further risk. We all know that kicking someone in the head might be effective but is also likely to lead to serious injury, brain damage or even death. So the pertinent question -which to me is a quite valid one-is whether this was the right option for the officers to use? Could they have got the knife off him by other means, however much force that may have taken-a dislocated or broken arm would be less life threatening than repeated kicks to the head for example.

For the vast majority of people, untrained in restraint techniques and in fear of their lives, kicking him in the head to both get the knife off him and protect themselves would be seen as being quite a reasonable response. For those supposedly trained, however, it might be reasonable to expect them to have other options available to them. Isn't that the point Polanski is making? There might not have been other viable options available to them of course and the officers would both be vindicated but armed Police have to (rightly) go through an investigation to ensure that any decision to discharge their weapons is justifiable so surely this isn't so different given that kicking someone in the head could be lethal?

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with a lot of the things Polanski says and his idealism is too often divorced from reality but I think the question he asks is a valid one and that does not in anyway detract from the bravery of the officers involved.

just read your post 100% disagree.the one point is mental health..he goes to a Jewish community stabs 2 Jews.he knew exactly what he was doing.100% agree with baggieal this country slowly going to pot.

[baggiematt]

A classic one. Reform have pledged that detention centres for Migrants should be in Green constituencies. Whether you like Reform or not this is 100% a great one. Greens are advocating refugees are all welcome so they can?t have their cake and eat it! Don?t vote Green in a constituency if you don?t want these people within 😭. It?s really that simple.

I read that this is against the law, as you cant place a constituency under disadvantage for not voting for a particular party. No doubt he will have to rescind the policy, which is stupid when you think about it.

It just shows Farage for who he has always been: a person who doesnt really care about the country. He didnt with Brexit and he doesnt now.

Our grandchildren will be paying for the mess Farage has left and that poor Tory regime before him, that are now part of Reform. They are unvoteable in my opinion.

Re Polanski, I think he is bold and stupid enough to say something that is right, irrespective of it being popular. It wasnt right that a police officer kicked a man in the head whilst restrained on the floor, irrespective of the crimes they had just committed. Was it in his, or the lefts interest to say this, absolutely not. No one cares about the treatment of terrorists.

[baggieal]

I read that this is against the law, as you cant place a constituency under disadvantage for not voting for a particular party. No doubt he will have to rescind the policy, which is stupid when you think about it.

It just shows Farage for who he has always been: a person who doesnt really care about the country. He didnt with Brexit and he doesnt now.

Our grandchildren will be paying for the mess Farage has left and that poor Tory regime before him, that are now part of Reform. They are unvoteable in my opinion.

Re Polanski, I think he is bold and stupid enough to say something that is right, irrespective of it being popular. It wasnt right that a police officer kicked a man in the head whilst restrained on the floor, irrespective of the crimes they had just committed. Was it in his, or the lefts interest to say this, absolutely not. No one cares about the treatment of terrorists.

Those officers need bravery awards! They really do! Pity they couldn?t shoot him after his intent to murder two innocent people.

Not many weeped when Ian Huntley was attacked and it will be the same for him when inside.

Let?s see what the polls bring this week! Clearly it will be predictable who votes Green and they can have those they want to welcome in their constituencies. Many without any political alliance will soon change their minds with illegals arriving. Ask the good folk of Crowborough who are worried about property prices and their school kids,

At least Farage is trying to do something. The French are really stopping it - not 😭

[baggiematt]

Those officers need bravery awards! They really do! Pity they couldn?t shoot him after his intent to murder two innocent people.

Not many weeped when Ian Huntley was attacked and it will be the same for him when inside.

Let?s see what the polls bring this week! Clearly it will be predictable who votes Green and they can have those they want to welcome in their constituencies. Many without any political alliance will soon change their minds with illegals arriving. Ask the good folk of Crowborough who are worried about property prices and their school kids,

At least Farage is trying to do something. The French are really stopping it - not 😭

What exactly is he doing Al? Other than threatening people to vote reform?

People will vote for this sort of thing. But people are largely a bit thick to be honest. Talking about problems and criticising others doesnt mean they have the solution; just like Brexit.

[kettering_baggie]

Ultimately, Brexit will be seen to be very advantageous to GB, providing that some moron like Starmer doesn’t backtrack on it. Our Service industries are thriving and this would not be possible if we were still being dictated to by Brussels. The biggest bonus for me regarding Brexit is to be free of the EU straight jacket and, of course, many will disagree with me but that is the benefit of having free speech; although even that is being slowly chipped away at!

The Green Party are OK’ish at a local level, particularly when it comes to litter picking! That’s it for them, Polanski, or whatever his real name is, is a dangerous idiot.

[baggieal]

What exactly is he doing Al? Other than threatening people to vote reform?

People will vote for this sort of thing. But people are largely a bit thick to be honest. Talking about problems and criticising others doesnt mean they have the solution; just like Brexit.

Was it not mainly the old folk who swayed the Brexit vote and the same with many on these Palestinian marches - old folk with nothing better to do with their pink hair and nose piercings! No thought for the younger generation. Even that complete w anker Blair not content in introducing uni fees and wrecking state grammar schools - the t wat is now garbling about ditching the state pension. He should shut the **** up at his age and wealth!

I have never voted but God - I know some powerful business leaders who are right leaning rather than left. They are certainly far from thick. Many would vote for whoever if it meant property prices in a nice town were not affected and girls were safe. Fact of life like Crowborough!

Green want to welcome them they can have them and surely this would be fair!

Even those who have not a bad word to say without any political alliance like my wife - will admit cities are becoming unrecognisable - girls are not safe and crime is getting worse. I have always disliked John Terry but he?s right - those entering should receive nothing!

[baggieal]

Ultimately, Brexit will be seen to be very advantageous to GB, providing that some moron like Starmer doesn’t backtrack on it. Our Service industries are thriving and this would not be possible if we were still being dictated to by Brussels. The biggest bonus for me regarding Brexit is to be free of the EU straight jacket and, of course, many will disagree with me but that is the benefit of having free speech; although even that is being slowly chipped away at!

The Green Party are OK’ish at a local level, particularly when it comes to litter picking! That’s it for them, Polanski, or whatever his real name is, is a dangerous idiot.

Trade from the UK to the EU is being hampered by import duties and customs delays. Crazy when goods can be scrutinised more than people entering! We will never be free until many rules and processes including the ECHR are updated so lawyers are not getting richer by the minute.

Annoyed me when you hear comments only thick people voted for Brexit. It was the older vote that swayed it who had little thought for the younger generation. Even now look at these pro Palestinian marches with all these oldies who need to get a life as they will be dead soon. Even that nut job Blair is now rattling on about abolishing state pensions with a reform which in affect will mean more years of work. The high taxation in this country is shocking and getting worse under Starmer and those idiots. Don?t work and have kids you are rewarded. In Spain you get almost zero if you do not pay into the system. Many millions though going to Somalia and Ukraine from Starmer.

Yes Starmer will backtrack but it won?t be to our benefit. The French must be laughing their socks off at the new deal of many millions going their way. Those boats are still coming fast!

[Omegstrat6]

Knew I should have had my tin hat on when I posted about Polanski😀 I still stick by what I said though.

My point wasn't about what people feel about the attacker, and I don't care about what happens to him anymore than anyone else given what he has done. My point was about the role of the Police and it is their job, wherever possible, to detain such individuals so that they can be dealt with by the Justice system to determine their fate. And, yes, I am fully aware of how woefully poor that that system can be and how excessively lenient it can be too. I am also fully aware that there are circumstances when the Police have every right to use lethal force. I am just saying that if it is deemed acceptable for Police officers to kick people in the head when they have them on the ground without just cause and regardless of their crimes or the temptation to do so, then this is a very slippery slope to go down. I don't care about what happens to the attacker after he has committed such heinous acts but I do care about the principle.

Whilst I certainly believe that you cannot tar every illegal immigrant or asylum seeker with the same brush, I think it is disingenuous not to accept that elements from these communities pose a genuine threat and that the vetting of them should be far stronger before any are allowed to settle here.

On the subject of immigrants though, was it not an Iranian bystander who helped save the life of one of the Jewish victims of this particular attack? As he said of his actions, this wasn't about helping because the victim was Jewish or not, it was about helping a fellow human being. Credit to Ashkan Asadian.

[baggiematt]

Trade from the UK to the EU is being hampered by import duties and customs delays. Crazy when goods can be scrutinised more than people entering! We will never be free until many rules and processes including the ECHR are updated so lawyers are not getting richer by the minute.

Annoyed me when you hear comments only thick people voted for Brexit. It was the older vote that swayed it who had little thought for the younger generation. Even now look at these pro Palestinian marches with all these oldies who need to get a life as they will be dead soon. Even that nut job Blair is now rattling on about abolishing state pensions with a reform which in affect will mean more years of work. The high taxation in this country is shocking and getting worse under Starmer and those idiots. Don?t work and have kids you are rewarded. In Spain you get almost zero if you do not pay into the system. Many millions though going to Somalia and Ukraine from Starmer.

Yes Starmer will backtrack but it won?t be to our benefit. The French must be laughing their socks off at the new deal of many millions going their way. Those boats are still coming fast!

We are hundreds of billions worse off due to brexit and got nothing for it. We still have illegal migration. The only thing we do have is a loss of the ability to move to a different European country, which looks quite appealing now.

The man who sold it to the country should be cast out, but instead people who were duped by this man before will be duped by him again. They are the thick people, not those who voted for Brexit. Fool me once and all that…

If a man in a company puts forward a case to change business strategy and it fails, they dont tend to get promoted, they get sacked!

We need to start appointing people because of what they have done for the country and their track record, not the spin they sell.

Not Rupert Lowe who bankrupted Southampton and has multiple harassment cases against women but is now talking about how he would improve the UK economy and stop women getting harassed on the streets! You almost couldnt make it up!