Polanski

[baggieal]

Knew I should have had my tin hat on when I posted about Polanski😀 I still stick by what I said though.

My point wasn't about what people feel about the attacker, and I don't care about what happens to him anymore than anyone else given what he has done. My point was about the role of the Police and it is their job, wherever possible, to detain such individuals so that they can be dealt with by the Justice system to determine their fate. And, yes, I am fully aware of how woefully poor that that system can be and how excessively lenient it can be too. I am also fully aware that there are circumstances when the Police have every right to use lethal force. I am just saying that if it is deemed acceptable for Police officers to kick people in the head when they have them on the ground without just cause and regardless of their crimes or the temptation to do so, then this is a very slippery slope to go down. I don't care about what happens to the attacker after he has committed such heinous acts but I do care about the principle.

Whilst I certainly believe that you cannot tar every illegal immigrant or asylum seeker with the same brush, I think it is disingenuous not to accept that elements from these communities pose a genuine threat and that the vetting of them should be far stronger before any are allowed to settle here.

On the subject of immigrants though, was it not an Iranian bystander who helped save the life of one of the Jewish victims of this particular attack? As he said of his actions, this wasn't about helping because the victim was Jewish or not, it was about helping a fellow human being. Credit to Ashkan Asadian.

Morning Omeg. Can Ashkan play in the striker position?

Good to have different views and banter. Bet you can?t wait where you live to stuff Norwich next season 😭😭

[Omegstrat6]

We are hundreds of billions worse off due to brexit and got nothing for it. We still have illegal migration. The only thing we do have is a loss of the ability to move to a different European country, which looks quite appealing now.

The man who sold it to the country should be cast out, but instead people who were duped by this man before will be duped by him again. They are the thick people, not those who voted for Brexit. Fool me once and all that…

If a man in a company puts forward a case to change business strategy and it fails, they dont tend to get promoted, they get sacked!

We need to start appointing people because of what they have done for the country and their track record, not the spin they sell.

Not Rupert Lowe who bankrupted Southampton and has multiple harassment cases against women but is now talking about how he would improve the UK economy and stop women getting harassed on the streets! You almost couldnt make it up!

I live in Rupert Lowe's constituency and my opinion of him is that he is a complete c u nt but he does still sadly attract support of the gullible/ ignorant or bigoted. The area has both high levels of poverty and immigration however so it's not hard to see how people like him can get a foothold when they spin promises about how they can make things so much better and use concerns over immigration as a scapegoat. Nothing new there then in the history of populist movements.

Neither Farage, with his "ordinary chap down the pub" schtick and acceptance of some £5 million in crypto donations from one billionaire alone, nor multi-millionaire Lowe really give a toss about "ordinary working people". And they are certainly not the answer to the country's problems. Reform can't run the council seats they won so imagine them in government.

The myriad of problems that this country faces are long standing and did not happen over night and both previous Labour and Conservative governments are responsible for the mess we are in now. The biggest issues are, firstly, that there are no easy answers/ quick fixes and the second is that we seem to have a dearth of politicians (of any party) with the competence to begin to fix things. I also think that John Major has a point when he talks about the generational impact of social media on politics whereby criticisms are magnified daily while alternative solutions are rarely put forward and the expectations are always for immediate fixes with little patience for the reality of timelines.

As for Brexit, whilst I certainly understood the frustrations over the EU, I personally always thought that it would have been better to remain and fight for changes from within rather than to leave. For me, at the time, there were far too many questions left unanswered in the public debates which, too frequently, involved simple gainsaying or naysaying. The worst thing was after the referendum when the more prickly questions over Brexit began to be more widely raised. The Brexiters were so concerned that another referendum might now overturn the Leave vote that they labelled it "undemocratic". Surely, when new information comes to light, people should be allowed to reconsider their previous decision? Especially in the case of such a momentous decision with all the potential consequences that it entailed for the country.

[Omegstrat6]

Morning Omeg. Can Ashkan play in the striker position?

Good to have different views and banter. Bet you can?t wait where you live to stuff Norwich next season 😭😭

Hi Al, hope you are good. Yep, after that 5-0 stuffing they gave us the team owe us all some payback!

I liked Morrison's interview on the official website btw and he clearly acknowledges that there is a lot of work to do over the summer so it will be very interesting to see what happens and who we are able to recruit. The problem, as mentioned on another thread, is that we now face months of uncertainty , rumours and speculation before we find out anything concrete.

[soulman101]

Anyone seen this Green on question Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8PNC64TyK8

[baggieal]

Anyone seen this Green on question Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8PNC64TyK8

I can?t stand watching them Lloyd. Complete nut jobs like most who go on these pro Palestinian marches. They need to get a life.

People are selfish as they say they don?t have a view on refugees but place them in their towns or next door to their properties and they are kicking off. In my town which is beautiful and with a left leaning council most commented on a thread saying they didn?t like Reform but 100% they were against illegals coming into the town. That really makes sense. Ask those folk in Crowborough whether they would vote Green now 😂😂😂

Classic from Reform - Green want to welcome refugees so they can be sent to Green constituencies. Quite right too! You can?t have it both ways, A lot are running scared now 😂

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

We are hundreds of billions worse off due to brexit and got nothing for it. We still have illegal migration. The only thing we do have is a loss of the ability to move to a different European country, which looks quite appealing now.

The man who sold it to the country should be cast out, but instead people who were duped by this man before will be duped by him again. They are the thick people, not those who voted for Brexit. Fool me once and all that?…

If a man in a company puts forward a case to change business strategy and it fails, they dont tend to get promoted, they get sacked!

We need to start appointing people because of what they have done for the country and their track record, not the spin they sell.

Not Rupert Lowe who bankrupted Southampton and has multiple harassment cases against women but is now talking about how he would improve the UK economy and stop women getting harassed on the streets! You almost couldnt make it up!

Only thick people (and those who just can't accept the democratic will of the people) think Brexit has cost us 'hundreds of billions' It's an apocryphal that has been debunked on many occasions.

[Omegstrat6]

Anyone seen this Green on question Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8PNC64TyK8

There's a surprise Soulman, a politician who can't give a straight answer and seems to avoid the question asked of them😂

The Green Party simply haven't got the nouse or experience to govern and their idealism is frequently too far removed from reality. To be fair though, I like some of what I have heard from their recently elected MP, Hannah Spencer. I think she is spot on when she talks of too many people in this country who work hard but see little or no improvement in their lives and of the impact of both the Gig economy and evolving technology on job opportunities. She has also raised concerns at the misogyny and "boys club" culture that is still too common in Westminster.

The Green MP in the clip isn't wrong when she says that one of the causes of racial hatred in this country is growing inequality, declining services and the squeeze of the cost of living. But this isn't rocket science and history shows us that this has frequently been the case where falling living standards and prosperity can play a big part in the rise of racism as those at the bottom are too often persuaded to find scapegoats for their situation.

But she doesn't mention all the other factors that come into play (well, not in this clip). Is she genuinely ignorant of them or is she deliberately avoiding speaking about these other issues? Such things as anti-Semitism based on a confusion about the differences between being Jewish and being a right leaning Zionist for example or religious hatred of any stripe (eg Islamophobia) or, of course, the fact that there have been too many examples recently of illegal immigrants in this country committing heinous crimes. And that's before we get to mentioning xenophobia or racism based purely on the colour of some-ones skin or heritage. It's a straightforward question around a very pertinent topic and whilst the answer to it might be quite complex and nuanced that shouldn't excuse any MP from answering it.

[baggieal]

There's a surprise Soulman, a politician who can't give a straight answer and seems to avoid the question asked of them😂

The Green Party simply haven't got the nouse or experience to govern and their idealism is frequently too far removed from reality. To be fair though, I like some of what I have heard from their recently elected MP, Hannah Spencer. I think she is spot on when she talks of too many people in this country who work hard but see little or no improvement in their lives and of the impact of both the Gig economy and evolving technology on job opportunities. She has also raised concerns at the misogyny and "boys club" culture that is still too common in Westminster.

The Green MP in the clip isn't wrong when she says that one of the causes of racial hatred in this country is growing inequality, declining services and the squeeze of the cost of living. But this isn't rocket science and history shows us that this has frequently been the case where falling living standards and prosperity can play a big part in the rise of racism as those at the bottom are too often persuaded to find scapegoats for their situation.

But she doesn't mention all the other factors that come into play (well, not in this clip). Is she genuinely ignorant of them or is she deliberately avoiding speaking about these other issues? Such things as anti-Semitism based on a confusion about the differences between being Jewish and being a right leaning Zionist for example or religious hatred of any stripe (eg Islamophobia) or, of course, the fact that there have been too many examples recently of illegal immigrants in this country committing heinous crimes. And that's before we get to mentioning xenophobia or racism based purely on the colour of some-ones skin or heritage. It's a straightforward question around a very pertinent topic and whilst the answer to it might be quite complex and nuanced that shouldn't excuse any MP from answering it.

Too many people are selfish Omeg. For example my views on illegal immigration are stronger than yours but there lies the question. If illegals started roaming around or lived within walking distance to your house and girls were at risk hand in heart you would object. This is the problem when idiots like Gary Neville scream racist to most things they consider far right. Would Mr Neville like a camp of illegals on his door step causing unrest and properties not to sell. Of course not! In my town which is left leaning they do not like Reform but oh my God there would be huge objections if illegals moved into the town. A clever statement by Reform - if Greens want to welcome refugees then they can have them within their constituencies. You
can?t have your cake and eat it. Vote Green and then you should expect illegals.

As Ketts said not everything Trump says is wrong and many things he says happens to be true. He said UK Cities are becoming unrecognisable which is true. We live in England and not Bangladesh FFS and yes I am sick of seeing Palestinian flags. There?s two laws in this country or it?s getting that way.

Nothing wrong with deportation and doing what John Terry suggests - give these illegals nothing as it?s the honey that attracts the bees. In simple terms the INN is full otherwise the country will be leaning towards bankruptcy.

In an uncertain world - as most of these illegals are single men under 30 why do we not reinstate conscription. Surely if they want to come to England then they won?t mind doing their bit for King and Country. We are far too soft and yes crime is getting worse. Any illegal that causes crimes should be immediately deported. ECHR some may shout but then rewrite the rules. If an illegal has raped a local and uses the line about being murdered in their homeland after such an heinous crime - should anybody care!

[baggieal]

Only thick people (and those who just can't accept the democratic will of the people) think Brexit has cost us 'hundreds of billions' It's an apocryphal that has been debunked on many occasions.

Interesting!

[baggiematt]

Well the divorce bill alone was £39b so I dont think you would be thick to accept peer reviewed reports that its exceeded 100b from a trillion pound economy. Who has debunked it? Farage or 30p Lee?

It might have been the will of the people but it hasnt benefitted us has it?

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

We would have to have paid the same ?39 billion had we remained So if that is part of the ?100 billion that's a nonsense.

Remain supporting Bloomberg put forward the ?100 billion. They simply extrapolated figures from 2016 and made no allowance for

Covid

War in Ukraine

Rising fuel prices

Countries that were used as a model for how the UK should perform included the US. Good comparison? No mention of German economy doing fractionally better than the UK since 2016 and the French economy slightly worse.

No wonder they got to such a silly figure.

Now if you'd have said to me the Brexit deal was a bad one I'd agree whole heartedly. Biggest change for 50 years and we'd got in charge a leader who didn't believe in Brexit. You couldn't make it up! That was followed by a leader with a one trick pony of a PM 'Just Get Brexit Done' No wonder the EU were able to 'pull our pants down'

Is Brexit working? Dunno we have tried it yet!
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[baggiematt]

We would have to have paid the same ?39 billion had we remained So if that is part of the ?100 billion that's a nonsense.

Remain supporting Bloomberg put forward the ?100 billion. They simply extrapolated figures from 2016 and made no allowance for

Covid

War in Ukraine

Rising fuel prices

Countries that were used as a model for how the UK should perform included the US. Good comparison? No mention of German economy doing fractionally better than the UK since 2016 and the French economy slightly worse.

No wonder they got to such a silly figure.

Now if you'd have said to me the Brexit deal was a bad one I'd agree whole heartedly. Biggest change for 50 years and we'd got in charge a leader who didn't believe in Brexit. You couldn't make it up! That was followed by a leader with a one trick pony of a PM 'Just Get Brexit Done' No wonder the EU were able to 'pull our pants down'

Is Brexit working? Dunno we have tried it yet!
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I think the OBR are the best source of information and they have done post brexit analysis that has found it has cost us £32b a year since on top of divorce payments. It is likely to impact for 15 years. And yes they take into account the money paid in that we no longer are and no they dont just analyse other countries performance and make a bogus conclusion.

They measured the fact that the year after brexit we had an 18% reduction in investment, because why would you invest in a country that has restrictions on trade with its next door neighbours?

Its been 10 years and several different leaders. The cards are not in our hands to get a better deal from the EU.

The facts have to be faced up, we got nothing and we paid dearly. Totally and utterly conned by a polite rich man. Happy to take any facts on the subject of what we got vs what it cost, but I doubt anyone will locate anything of substance that changes my perspective.

[baggieal]

I think the OBR are the best source of information and they have done post brexit analysis that has found it has cost us £32b a year since on top of divorce payments. It is likely to impact for 15 years. And yes they take into account the money paid in that we no longer are and no they dont just analyse other countries performance and make a bogus conclusion.

They measured the fact that the year after brexit we had an 18% reduction in investment, because why would you invest in a country that has restrictions on trade with its next door neighbours?

Its been 10 years and several different leaders. The cards are not in our hands to get a better deal from the EU.

The facts have to be faced up, we got nothing and we paid dearly. Totally and utterly conned by a polite rich man. Happy to take any facts on the subject of what we got vs what it cost, but I doubt anyone will locate anything of substance that changes my perspective.

Conned by a rich man? Brexit never had anything to do with immigration outside of the EU and those who were from the EU prior to Brexit were hard working and mainly worked in hospitality.

Conned by a rich man? Is that the cowardly and gutless Starmer who promised investment, business growth and oh - to smash the illegal immigration gangs. He?s too scared to do anything so not to lose votes from those communities he adores. Another rich man who conned the f uck out of us was pompous Tony Blair who abolished state selective grammar schools and placed our students into huge debt with introducing Uni fees. Not content with seeing out his final years with his pathetic human rights loving Cherie he wants to meddle in state pensions, He should keep his nose end the stupid t osser!

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

The OBR is NOT the best source of information and this figure of ?100 billion is NOT from post budget analysis it's from pre Brexit. It is now accepted their pre figures were overly pessimistic of the effect on the UK and overly optimistic on EU performance.

Your assertion that it's been 10 years is even wildly incorrect. It's been 6 years since we left the EU. For the first 2 years every nation pulled up the drawbridges and trade plummeted for ewveryone.

Best comparison for me is UK economy v France from 2023 when although by means anything to right home about ours slightly outperformed France.

But hey times are tough lets blame Brexit saves having to blame ourselves. I'll say again I'll judge Brexit when we start it.

[baggiematt]

Conned by a rich man? Brexit never had anything to do with immigration outside of the EU and those who were from the EU prior to Brexit were hard working and mainly worked in hospitality.

Conned by a rich man? Is that the cowardly and gutless Starmer who promised investment, business growth and oh - to smash the illegal immigration gangs. He?s too scared to do anything so not to lose votes from those communities he adores. Another rich man who conned the f uck out of us was pompous Tony Blair who abolished state selective grammar schools and placed our students into huge debt with introducing Uni fees. Not content with seeing out his final years with his pathetic human rights loving Cherie he wants to meddle in state pensions, He should keep his nose end the stupid t osser!

Yes completely and utterly conned.

He sold it as a means of reducing immigration and a lot of people couldnt separate eu migration from lawful non eu migration, refugees and illegal migrants. He is still muddying all those very different types of migrants today.

It didnt reduce migration and he knew it wouldnt. He also knew the EU wouldnt allow a decent deal and were important to us. He knew the NHS wouldnt improve by leaving the EU and he also knew we would retain most laws from the EU.

Its been a total failure and he is tricking gullible folk again.