Starmer will be at Number 10 for least 4 months

[soulman101]

Due to Labour's Tennant's bill, it will take at least 4 months to get an eviction .

[kettering_baggie]

No bad thing if he continues to boost Labour’s unpopularity. We need rid of this truly awful government, although in the meantime they will completely trash the economy and make life more expensive for everybody; this is what Labour traditionally does.

[WBA123]

No bad thing if he continues to boost Labour’s unpopularity. We need rid of this truly awful government, although in the meantime they will completely trash the economy and make life more expensive for everybody; this is what Labour traditionally does.

As per your previous reply to me re Brexit.

Labour won the last election. Get over it. Suck it up until 2029 and stop whinging about it.

[Albionic68]

as per your previous reply to me re brexit.

Labour won the last election. Get over it. Suck it up until 2029 and stop whinging about it.

xd xd xd .

[kettering_baggie]

As per your previous reply to me re Brexit.

Labour won the last election. Get over it. Suck it up until 2029 and stop whinging about it.

I wouldn’t say that Labour ‘won’ the election, they had most votes by default, because the Tories and Reform split the right wing vote. Labour had a lower percentage of the vote than they did in the previous election, which they lost. Anyway, this is a completely different issue to Brexit; there is no new Brexit vote in the foreseeable future, so go suck that up, whereas there could be another general election before 2029, I live in hope, so thats something else for you to suck.

[WBA123]

I wouldn?’t say that Labour ?‘won?’ the election, they had most votes by default, because the Tories and Reform split the right wing vote. Labour had a lower percentage of the vote than they did in the previous election, which they lost. Anyway, this is a completely different issue to Brexit; there is no new Brexit vote in the foreseeable future, so go suck that up, whereas there could be another general election before 2029, I live in hope, so thats something else for you to suck.

Hahaha - What?

Okay, you're right - Labour didn't win the last election.

In other news, Coventry didn't really win the league this season, because all of the other teams didn't try hard enough.

And Nigel Farage didn't really win his seat in Clacton - He only won 46% of that total vote, so more people voted against him.

What a great perspective this is....I think I'll join you sticking my head as far into the sand as I can.

[Omegstrat6]

I see Wes Streeting has now tendered his resignation. Guess that was always going to happen once the Kings Speech was out of the way.

I don't think he has what it takes to be PM either, but his letter backs up what too many Labour MPs have already said about Starmer's leadership-he doesn't crow enough about Labour's successes when they get them (which he needs to do more of given that the majority of the press in this country are under right wing ownership) and he makes too many errors of judgement and has had to make too many U-turns because he not only fails to "read the room" of public opinion but also too often ignores the advice of others -including those from within his own cabinet-and closes them down.

Streeting's comment about where the party need a "vision" from their leadership, but instead have a "vacuum" is also a familiar criticism. Starmer talks a lot about "values" but most people are still unclear as to what, exactly, he means by this and certainly unclear about what Labour's vision is.

Starmer came late to politics and so isn't, perhaps, properly acclimatised to the rough and tumble of Westminster rhetoric but he doesn't have the charisma or outward force of character that we like to see in our leaders. This alone makes him appear inept or weak, regardless of what people may think of his actual policies. Someone like Farage, you know what he is about even if you disagree with his politics and even if (like myself) you also view him as being mostly a grifting charlatan.

Will any of those seen as potential replacements manage the 81 seat support they require? That remains to be seen, though doubtless Starmer himself will want to carry on and weather the storm. Whether he can then go on to make the necessary changes to win back more support from his own party looks unlikely but whatever happens, Labour will still see out their term regardless of who they decide on as leader.

[baggieal]

I see Wes Streeting has now tendered his resignation. Guess that was always going to happen once the Kings Speech was out of the way.

I don't think he has what it takes to be PM either, but his letter backs up what too many Labour MPs have already said about Starmer's leadership-he doesn't crow enough about Labour's successes when they get them (which he needs to do more of given that the majority of the press in this country are under right wing ownership) and he makes too many errors of judgement and has had to make too many U-turns because he not only fails to "read the room" of public opinion but also too often ignores the advice of others -including those from within his own cabinet-and closes them down.

Streeting's comment about where the party need a "vision" from their leadership, but instead have a "vacuum" is also a familiar criticism. Starmer talks a lot about "values" but most people are still unclear as to what, exactly, he means by this and certainly unclear about what Labour's vision is.

Starmer came late to politics and so isn't, perhaps, properly acclimatised to the rough and tumble of Westminster rhetoric but he doesn't have the charisma or outward force of character that we like to see in our leaders. This alone makes him appear inept or weak, regardless of what people may think of his actual policies. Someone like Farage, you know what he is about even if you disagree with his politics and even if (like myself) you also view him as being mostly a grifting charlatan.

Will any of those seen as potential replacements manage the 81 seat support they require? That remains to be seen, though doubtless Starmer himself will want to carry on and weather the storm. Whether he can then go on to make the necessary changes to win back more support from his own party looks unlikely but whatever happens, Labour will still see out their term regardless of who they decide on as leader.

Seems more decent than many Streeting. I have a feeling the bluntest tool in the box Rayner will challenge. Horrible cow!

Starmer is on another planet and more bothered about the march this weekend than those Palestinian marches. Personally I would ban them all as a huge policing cost and violence no doubt!

[Omegstrat6]

Now it gets interesting. Labour MP, Josh Simons, has said he is prepared to stand down to enable Andy Burnham a chance at replacing Starmer. The first isn't a done deal yet and even if Burnham did become an MP, that still doesn't guarantee, of course, that he would be voted in to replace Starmer as party leader and PM.

Still, things seem to have come to a head now following Labour's humiliating ( though hardly unexpected) thrashing in the recent local elections and moving at a pace. Can the son of a tool maker survive if Burnham can now throw his hat into the ring?

[baggieal]

Now it gets interesting. Labour MP, Josh Simons, has said he is prepared to stand down to enable Andy Burnham a chance at replacing Starmer. The first isn't a done deal yet and even if Burnham did become an MP, that still doesn't guarantee, of course, that he would be voted in to replace Starmer as party leader and PM.

Still, things seem to have come to a head now following Labour's humiliating ( though hardly unexpected) thrashing in the recent local elections and moving at a pace. Can the son of a tool maker survive if Burnham can now throw his hat into the ring?

I would question whether Burnham would even win and he could be signing his death warrant:

The battle for Makerfield is a difficult proposition. In the recent local elections, the Makerfield constituency voted 50 per cent Reform and 23 per cent Labour. Reform?s vote share was more than double Labour?s. The Greens polled 11 per cent.

The Britain Predicts model for a general election offers Labour a somewhat stronger showing, but still an uncomfortable one: Reform on 41 per cent to Labour?s 28 per cent. It is a worse forecast for the incumbent party ? and a greater disadvantage for Labour ? than the initial projection for the Gorton and Denton by-election, where Reform?s lead sat only in the single digits.

[Albionic68]

Now it gets interesting......... Can the son of a tool maker survive if Burnham can now throw his hat into the ring?

Dunno. Reads like it depends on whether Wes Streeting bends over and takes one for the team. Shocking post Omeg, I thought you were bigger than that 😲 😃 😀 😄.

[Omegstrat6]

Dunno. Reads like it depends on whether Wes Streeting bends over and takes one for the team. Shocking post Omeg, I thought you were bigger than that 😲 😃 😀 😄.

😂😂😂

[baggieal]

It?s all glorious now that Angela has settled her tax and can be a model citizen. Does that mean HMRC will cancel all those fines for Joe Public for late payment?

As for Two Tier - I am sure it will be put down as a government trip to Budapest when Arsenal play in the final. Is Farage paying tax on the five million donation as would Joe Public?

[baggieal]

It?s all glorious now that Angela has settled her tax and can be a model citizen. Does that mean HMRC will cancel all those fines for Joe Public for late payment?

As for Two Tier - I am sure it will be put down as a government trip to Budapest when Arsenal play in the final. Is Farage paying tax on the five million donation as would Joe Public?

I have been correct Farage does not have to pay any tax as it?s a gift 😭

[Omegstrat6]

I have been correct Farage does not have to pay any tax as it?s a gift 😭

Got in with that correction before me Al! But did you really think a grifter like Nige would not find a way around not paying tax if he could possibly avoid it?😁.

I think the Burnham development is interesting btw. For starters, the MP who is willing up his seat was a more centrist/ right leaning member of the party so would not be a natural ally of Burnham's. This has to be an indication of the level of concern over Starmer's leadership by many in the Labour Party. I have a feeling that other mooted front runners like Streeting and Raynor may ultimately put personal ambition aside and back Burnham in order to try and get some level of unity back for the party.

Secondly-as you say-there is no guarantee that Burnham would win that seat in any case It's a big decision for Burnham to make. If he stands and can persuade some of those who might currently endorse Reform to go back to supporting Labour and he wins the seat, then that can only further endorse any ambitions he has to become party leader and PM. If he can win by a decent margin especially, then the party faithful will surely feel more confident that he might similarly turn the perception of the Labour Party around on a national level. If Burnham loses, however, then he loses big time. No longer mayor of Manchester but no MP either, let alone PM.