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    OT : OK, I'll be the one to ask...

    BBC headline:
    "Liege shooting: Two police and passer-by dead in Belgium."
    "Police sources quoted in local media said the man was heard shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest" in Arabic)."

    Question to Sol : how would you describe the assailant?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44289404

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    Quote Originally Posted by AltyPie View Post
    BBC headline:
    "Liege shooting: Two police and passer-by dead in Belgium."
    "Police sources quoted in local media said the man was heard shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest" in Arabic)."

    Question to Sol : how would you describe the assailant?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44289404
    British police re arrested Tommy Robinson in jail, just in case he provoked him.

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    Yet another Muslim, thought to have been radicalised in prison, why is this being allowed to happen. Surely their association time in prison is monitored and controlled, if not, why not?
    Last edited by Airborn Pie; 29-05-2018 at 12:09 PM.

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    So far so good here. Great to see. Let's keep it civilised on this one...

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    Sorry to jump into a fred solely directed at Sol...

    The answer you're obviously looking for is that he's a muslim... that his 'muslimness' made him do it: obviously because he was heard to shout Allah Akbar, or some other muslim sounding phrase that sounds ridiculous to us non-muslims. Clearly we need to watch out for muslims, because that's what they've been brainwashed into doing with the promise of ump**** muslim virgins in muslim heaven. How silly they are, those muslims, with their weird muslim praying (especially when they get their eyes rolling in the backs of their heads), they dress their muslim women up in muslim bedsheets for fear of getting their muslim peckers turned on, chop out their muslim women's clits, and if they weren't causing so much damage to us, these silly little muslims would be nothing but a source of amusement....

    I suspect that's what a lot of people are thinking when they hear the word "Muslim".

    What they don't usually stop to consiser is that there is a somewhat of a war going on between some of the muslim groups and the West lead by the US, UK and France, but also a 'coalition of the willing.' This war was started when the Western powers bombed and invaded a number of countries, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths - many times more than were killed in the outrageous shooting down of
    The Malaysian Airlines Flight, maimed thousands of times more people than were taken to the hospital in the Skripal case, and caused an entire generation of people to grow up knowing nothing but war. Meanwhile, most of us are sitting very comfortably, relatively speaking.

    This 'war' has not been an isolated experience - the artificial boundaries that the British set up early last century to demarcate our oil tycoon vassal states from one another are generally irrelevant to the highly mobile peoples within the region. Nor have we chosen our local allies in congruence with a deep understanding of who's who in region vis a vis each other. Nor are our chosen 'friends' because of any close alignment with Western values (our closest friend in the neighbourhood with whom we share formidable business and miltary relations with have finally relented in letting their bedsheet-wearing clitless women drive cars!). In fact, it seems that our choice of allies has more to do with two interconnected considerations: 1) how can our elites make the most money, and 2) How do we disrupt the activities and interests of our competitors who also have interests in the region (eg. Soviet Union/Russia and Iran) so that our elites can make more money. Our own enemies are even our friends when they are also our competitors' enemy. Lump on the cash and weapons.

    Now lets look at things from their perspective... those wiley self-detonating muslims.

    They live under a lot of tyrannical regimes, and it is obvious to them that the West props them up. The ones that aren't being propped up are constantly being attacked, one after another. The death and destruction is immense. There is huge momentum to get the f*** out, but nobody in the world wants them. They end up being piled into refugee camps, making dangerous journeys and are met with the likes if Nigel Farrage telling everyone that if it weren't for the likes of these refugees, the UK could have an even better health service (from the muslim perspective this must sound like a cruel joke). Meanwhile, in each of these muslim countries, war has factionalized populations and the only real survival method for each faction is to struggle and hustle to live. Down to each family, whoever can offer a job - whether it be building IEDs, providing a safe house ir running guns theoufh checkpoints - it's a chance to survive.

    From the muslim perspective - what have we done to deserve all of this? Surely we are being punished. Once we had great schools, fairly thriving economies, and that's all been replaced by a generation of war (one could take that same description/trajectory and apply since the arabic scientific enlightenment of the early medieval period). For some it seems that God is punishing them and rhe best way to make ammends is to live more closely to god's prescription. For others, their anger at having lost their family, or their home, or their country, is exactly the same as the way America reacted to 9/11: somebody needs to be made to pay for this. In the daily struggle for survival, they fight each other for scraps. In the grand scheme of things, they think we are the ones that brought this on them: we should be made to pay.

    When you don't have access to runways, stealth fighters, laser guided tomahawk missiles, or cruisers to launch them from, strapping a bomb to yourself, renting a van and driving it through a crowd of people, using a countries own access to guns to mow down some of their people is about as effective as ine can be. It's desperate, and it's most often suicide. But if you've got nothing left to lose, have a lot of anger, and are told by even the puppets that the West has installed that glory awsits... well, why not? Maybe if the West feels enough loss then they will stop?

    In short... religion has little to do with it. In every war, people of every religion or no religion at all are willing to sacrifice themselves for others. There'd be no such thing as a 'soldier' if they weren't. Religion is just a surface explanation for the elites on both sides forcing misery on an already desperate population, and that population wanting to fight for tevenge, for a better future, for their families, communities or their country. Some simply want a pay check (just like kids joining the army over here) in order to plant an IED because it seems like the only option to eat tomorrow.

    As long as we think of them as less than human (silly muslims!) and as long as we are seen as a great satan (asshole infidels!) then it will continue. They will continue to be desperate. We will continue to be comfortable but complain about refugees and the NHS and their silly muslim battlecry. Meanwhile our elites will continue to make money hand over fist, as will the 'friends' in high places that we've chosen over there.

    Last, if I'm not mistaken, Allah Akbar (or whatever variation) is no more proof that they're religious nutters any more than when any of us exclaim the Christian cries: Oh My God... or Jesus F***ing Christ! I'm atheist and am prone to saying those both quite a bit.

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    Oh dear me, what a patronising, liberal rant.
    What are people in Europe to think of Muslims when the one's given safe haven, turn around and do things like this?

    Also note, that some perpetrators have actually been French born and have not faced any of the hardships you describe.

    And yes, whilst they continue to cut off heads with sharp knives, burn people in cages, hurl gays from high buildings and stone women to death, forgive me for thinking that they are less than human.
    Last edited by Airborn Pie; 29-05-2018 at 01:19 PM.

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    So basically Andy you're saying that if we accept immigrants and do not bow down to the demands of the immigrant population we have to accept that they may well want to kill us because our government is bad and that is something we just have to accept. We should disregard the other 1400 years of Islamic terror and expansion through violent Jihad because their terrorism is nothing to do with their religion, they're just pissed at the West.

    I totally agree that some of the things we do and have done have bought suffering on the region of the Middle East and our governments have a lot to answer for both historically and currently, but the issue of Islamic violence goes back well beyond 20th century political action and well beyond the boundaries of the oil rich Middle East. It is a recurring theme all over the world and not just in the West including Countries well outside that of the Middle East. However, wherever in the world there is Islam there is always social unrest and violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy6025 View Post
    Sorry to jump into a fred solely directed at Sol...

    The answer you're obviously looking for is that he's a muslim... that his 'muslimness' made him do it: obviously because he was heard to shout Allah Akbar, or some other muslim sounding phrase that sounds ridiculous to us non-muslims. Clearly we need to watch out for muslims, because that's what they've been brainwashed into doing with the promise of ump**** muslim virgins in muslim heaven. How silly they are, those muslims, with their weird muslim praying (especially when they get their eyes rolling in the backs of their heads), they dress their muslim women up in muslim bedsheets for fear of getting their muslim peckers turned on, chop out their muslim women's clits, and if they weren't causing so much damage to us, these silly little muslims would be nothing but a source of amusement....

    I suspect that's what a lot of people are thinking when they hear the word "Muslim".

    What they don't usually stop to consiser is that there is a somewhat of a war going on between some of the muslim groups and the West lead by the US, UK and France, but also a 'coalition of the willing.' This war was started when the Western powers bombed and invaded a number of countries, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths - many times more than were killed in the outrageous shooting down of
    The Malaysian Airlines Flight, maimed thousands of times more people than were taken to the hospital in the Skripal case, and caused an entire generation of people to grow up knowing nothing but war. Meanwhile, most of us are sitting very comfortably, relatively speaking.

    This 'war' has not been an isolated experience - the artificial boundaries that the British set up early last century to demarcate our oil tycoon vassal states from one another are generally irrelevant to the highly mobile peoples within the region. Nor have we chosen our local allies in congruence with a deep understanding of who's who in region vis a vis each other. Nor are our chosen 'friends' because of any close alignment with Western values (our closest friend in the neighbourhood with whom we share formidable business and miltary relations with have finally relented in letting their bedsheet-wearing clitless women drive cars!). In fact, it seems that our choice of allies has more to do with two interconnected considerations: 1) how can our elites make the most money, and 2) How do we disrupt the activities and interests of our competitors who also have interests in the region (eg. Soviet Union/Russia and Iran) so that our elites can make more money. Our own enemies are even our friends when they are also our competitors' enemy. Lump on the cash and weapons.

    Now lets look at things from their perspective... those wiley self-detonating muslims.

    They live under a lot of tyrannical regimes, and it is obvious to them that the West props them up. The ones that aren't being propped up are constantly being attacked, one after another. The death and destruction is immense. There is huge momentum to get the f*** out, but nobody in the world wants them. They end up being piled into refugee camps, making dangerous journeys and are met with the likes if Nigel Farrage telling everyone that if it weren't for the likes of these refugees, the UK could have an even better health service (from the muslim perspective this must sound like a cruel joke). Meanwhile, in each of these muslim countries, war has factionalized populations and the only real survival method for each faction is to struggle and hustle to live. Down to each family, whoever can offer a job - whether it be building IEDs, providing a safe house ir running guns theoufh checkpoints - it's a chance to survive.

    From the muslim perspective - what have we done to deserve all of this? Surely we are being punished. Once we had great schools, fairly thriving economies, and that's all been replaced by a generation of war (one could take that same description/trajectory and apply since the arabic scientific enlightenment of the early medieval period). For some it seems that God is punishing them and rhe best way to make ammends is to live more closely to god's prescription. For others, their anger at having lost their family, or their home, or their country, is exactly the same as the way America reacted to 9/11: somebody needs to be made to pay for this. In the daily struggle for survival, they fight each other for scraps. In the grand scheme of things, they think we are the ones that brought this on them: we should be made to pay.

    When you don't have access to runways, stealth fighters, laser guided tomahawk missiles, or cruisers to launch them from, strapping a bomb to yourself, renting a van and driving it through a crowd of people, using a countries own access to guns to mow down some of their people is about as effective as ine can be. It's desperate, and it's most often suicide. But if you've got nothing left to lose, have a lot of anger, and are told by even the puppets that the West has installed that glory awsits... well, why not? Maybe if the West feels enough loss then they will stop?

    In short... religion has little to do with it. In every war, people of every religion or no religion at all are willing to sacrifice themselves for others. There'd be no such thing as a 'soldier' if they weren't. Religion is just a surface explanation for the elites on both sides forcing misery on an already desperate population, and that population wanting to fight for tevenge, for a better future, for their families, communities or their country. Some simply want a pay check (just like kids joining the army over here) in order to plant an IED because it seems like the only option to eat tomorrow.

    As long as we think of them as less than human (silly muslims!) and as long as we are seen as a great satan (asshole infidels!) then it will continue. They will continue to be desperate. We will continue to be comfortable but complain about refugees and the NHS and their silly muslim battlecry. Meanwhile our elites will continue to make money hand over fist, as will the 'friends' in high places that we've chosen over there.

    Last, if I'm not mistaken, Allah Akbar (or whatever variation) is no more proof that they're religious nutters any more than when any of us exclaim the Christian cries: Oh My God... or Jesus F***ing Christ! I'm atheist and am prone to saying those both quite a bit.
    Can I recommend that you read the life of Mohammed/Muhammed, how Islam was spread in his time, how Islam laid claim to Jerusalem, how Mecca became a holy site, what happens to any Muslim who decides he doesn't want to be Muslim, and I challenge you to find any declared Muslim who will use Allah Akbar as a crude expletive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy6025 View Post
    Sorry to jump into a fred solely directed at Sol...

    The answer you're obviously looking for is that he's a muslim... that his 'muslimness' made him do it: obviously because he was heard to shout Allah Akbar, or some other muslim sounding phrase that sounds ridiculous to us non-muslims. Clearly we need to watch out for muslims, because that's what they've been brainwashed into doing with the promise of ump**** muslim virgins in muslim heaven. How silly they are, those muslims, with their weird muslim praying (especially when they get their eyes rolling in the backs of their heads), they dress their muslim women up in muslim bedsheets for fear of getting their muslim peckers turned on, chop out their muslim women's clits, and if they weren't causing so much damage to us, these silly little muslims would be nothing but a source of amusement....

    I suspect that's what a lot of people are thinking when they hear the word "Muslim".

    What they don't usually stop to consiser is that there is a somewhat of a war going on between some of the muslim groups and the West lead by the US, UK and France, but also a 'coalition of the willing.' This war was started when the Western powers bombed and invaded a number of countries, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths - many times more than were killed in the outrageous shooting down of
    The Malaysian Airlines Flight, maimed thousands of times more people than were taken to the hospital in the Skripal case, and caused an entire generation of people to grow up knowing nothing but war. Meanwhile, most of us are sitting very comfortably, relatively speaking.

    This 'war' has not been an isolated experience - the artificial boundaries that the British set up early last century to demarcate our oil tycoon vassal states from one another are generally irrelevant to the highly mobile peoples within the region. Nor have we chosen our local allies in congruence with a deep understanding of who's who in region vis a vis each other. Nor are our chosen 'friends' because of any close alignment with Western values (our closest friend in the neighbourhood with whom we share formidable business and miltary relations with have finally relented in letting their bedsheet-wearing clitless women drive cars!). In fact, it seems that our choice of allies has more to do with two interconnected considerations: 1) how can our elites make the most money, and 2) How do we disrupt the activities and interests of our competitors who also have interests in the region (eg. Soviet Union/Russia and Iran) so that our elites can make more money. Our own enemies are even our friends when they are also our competitors' enemy. Lump on the cash and weapons.

    Now lets look at things from their perspective... those wiley self-detonating muslims.

    They live under a lot of tyrannical regimes, and it is obvious to them that the West props them up. The ones that aren't being propped up are constantly being attacked, one after another. The death and destruction is immense. There is huge momentum to get the f*** out, but nobody in the world wants them. They end up being piled into refugee camps, making dangerous journeys and are met with the likes if Nigel Farrage telling everyone that if it weren't for the likes of these refugees, the UK could have an even better health service (from the muslim perspective this must sound like a cruel joke). Meanwhile, in each of these muslim countries, war has factionalized populations and the only real survival method for each faction is to struggle and hustle to live. Down to each family, whoever can offer a job - whether it be building IEDs, providing a safe house ir running guns theoufh checkpoints - it's a chance to survive.

    From the muslim perspective - what have we done to deserve all of this? Surely we are being punished. Once we had great schools, fairly thriving economies, and that's all been replaced by a generation of war (one could take that same description/trajectory and apply since the arabic scientific enlightenment of the early medieval period). For some it seems that God is punishing them and rhe best way to make ammends is to live more closely to god's prescription. For others, their anger at having lost their family, or their home, or their country, is exactly the same as the way America reacted to 9/11: somebody needs to be made to pay for this. In the daily struggle for survival, they fight each other for scraps. In the grand scheme of things, they think we are the ones that brought this on them: we should be made to pay.

    When you don't have access to runways, stealth fighters, laser guided tomahawk missiles, or cruisers to launch them from, strapping a bomb to yourself, renting a van and driving it through a crowd of people, using a countries own access to guns to mow down some of their people is about as effective as ine can be. It's desperate, and it's most often suicide. But if you've got nothing left to lose, have a lot of anger, and are told by even the puppets that the West has installed that glory awsits... well, why not? Maybe if the West feels enough loss then they will stop?

    In short... religion has little to do with it. In every war, people of every religion or no religion at all are willing to sacrifice themselves for others. There'd be no such thing as a 'soldier' if they weren't. Religion is just a surface explanation for the elites on both sides forcing misery on an already desperate population, and that population wanting to fight for tevenge, for a better future, for their families, communities or their country. Some simply want a pay check (just like kids joining the army over here) in order to plant an IED because it seems like the only option to eat tomorrow.

    As long as we think of them as less than human (silly muslims!) and as long as we are seen as a great satan (asshole infidels!) then it will continue. They will continue to be desperate. We will continue to be comfortable but complain about refugees and the NHS and their silly muslim battlecry. Meanwhile our elites will continue to make money hand over fist, as will the 'friends' in high places that we've chosen over there.

    Last, if I'm not mistaken, Allah Akbar (or whatever variation) is no more proof that they're religious nutters any more than when any of us exclaim the Christian cries: Oh My God... or Jesus F***ing Christ! I'm atheist and am prone to saying those both quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagpieTony View Post
    So basically Andy you're saying that if we accept immigrants and do not bow down to the demands of the immigrant population we have to accept that they may well want to kill us because our government is bad and that is something we just have to accept. We should disregard the other 1400 years of Islamic terror and expansion through violent Jihad because their terrorism is nothing to do with their religion, they're just pissed at the West.

    I totally agree that some of the things we do and have done have bought suffering on the region of the Middle East and our governments have a lot to answer for both historically and currently, but the issue of Islamic violence goes back well beyond 20th century political action and well beyond the boundaries of the oil rich Middle East. It is a recurring theme all over the world and not just in the West including Countries well outside that of the Middle East. However, wherever in the world there is Islam there is always social unrest and violence.
    No.

    I'm saying that we have to stop engaging in regime change by military means (either direct or covert). This will cut down significantly on the number of refugees and severely cut down on the number of people seeking revenge for the deaths of their loved ones.

    We have to stop our 'business' and military relationships with the tyrants that rule over them, especially Saudi Arabia who we directly assist in their war against Yemen and whom we supply with weapons and cash to brutally supress their own people (Uk and Canada included).

    We have to stop supplying weapons and cash to 'Arab Spring' movements that we think are in our or Israel's interests. We need to stop being beholden to our own weapons manufacturers in order to achieve this....and we are beholden to them, because like middle-eastern tyrants, we are corrupt.

    We have to stop propping up the aparthied regime that is Israel and make a serious effort to assist in negotiating a solution to that crisis without prejudice against Palestinians and wholly in favour of Israel (the terms of last suggested agreements were absolutely sickening).

    We need to consider that Iran, Russia and other countries have interests in the region and that we should work together with them to our mutual benefit and especially to the benefit and interests of local people. Where we are selfish on behalf of our business elites and don't legitimately consider local interests (rather than simply the interests of our puppets), we will foment anger, hostility snd rebellion - it will appear in the guise of religion.

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