O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[drillerpie]

OK, so would it be fair to say then - as you see it - the Sceptic article would become more and more accurate with each passing day without the booster intervention? In other words, they're correct what they're saying in principle but you don't believe it's quite that bad yet?

No, not really. The point they are trying to make, based on a dataset that is explicitly classed as unsuitable for this very kind of comparison, is that double-vaccines now have a negative efficacy compared to no vaccine at all. This could become true if a large enough percentage of double vaccinated let their immunity wane and then refuse to get the booster, but again, as per the report you cited, the current data shows that double vaccinated people are significantly less likely to get infected and to transmit infection compared to the unvaccinated. For that reason I can't say it gets truer by the day.

Covid pass will go from requiring 2 to 3 jabs once everybody has had the chance to get the booster - is the UK plan.

Sounds extremely plausible.

That might include everybody who is currently not vaccinated but intending to be, but I very much doubt it, in which case they'd have to have a 3 jab rule for the most compliant and a 1 jab rule for those who have been less so, which I can't imagine will go down well however sound the science might be.

Speculation on my part, but I'd imagine a double vaccination would suffice to get a Covid pass for several months, until the immunity starts to wane and then you would probably have to have a booster to keep your pass.

Italy's pass is valid 9 months from your second jab, I can't remember if Qatar's is 9 or 12 from your second jab. These time periods would obviously be subject to revision, but I can't see why you would have to have more jabs to 'catch up' if you have only just started having vaccines. Certainly in the countries I'm familiar with you don't.

Then things could really become complicated if you introduce variant specific vax. Why would 1 jab against Delta and the original strain be enough for some but not others. Weren't the first two jabs different strengths? Adults needed two but now it's one for Delta, yet Omicron will need three?

I don't know who says which number of jabs is necessary and why, because i haven't been following it closely, sorry. As with other points, if you have any links so I can digest these comments in context, I'll be happy to comment on them.

Curious to know if you're happy to go on being jabbed indefinitely regardless of frequency and would you getting Covid make any difference?

I think there's a decent chance I had Covid in early March 2020, but I can't be sure. I don't think my antibodies would be recognised now, almost two years on. Anyway yes I am happy being jabbed, I wouldn't say regardless of the frequency, but so far I've had two vaccines in March this year and will be getting the third shortly, which is fine by me.

I'm over 40, I'm physically fit and in shape but I am a smoker, and weighing up the risks from Covid (assuming I haven't had it) and the limitations I would have to deal with if I wasn't vaccinated, it's a fairly easy decision for me. To be honest the **** I put in my lungs every day and the microplastics in every animal and every body of water I consume will probably see me shuttle off this mortal coil in the next forty years at most, so I'm happy to take my chances with the vaccine.

Would you expect the boosters window of effectiveness to remain consistent or decrease?

No idea but as a guess remain roughly the same.