OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Fair enough Tricky...my original question was the one to Ramspride which I have referred to.
You have sought to put the impact of immigration at the centre of the discussion and possibly confused 'change' with 'dilution'.
I don't dispute that the country, and indeed the World, are very different places to the one I grew up in. Some of those changes are for the better, some for the worse and many, imo, nothing to do with the EU.
This thread though is about the impact of the EU and the Brexit vote. The question of immigration is undoubtedly pertinent but it is not, when discussing either the EU or Brexit, of overwhelming relevance even though that is what many who voted 'Leave' have apparently been encouraged to think.

P.S. We'll have no red writing on this site thanks.

What red would that be?

[Trickytreesreds]

Well whatever.
As I said, no matter what I nor what anyone else has said, the vote went out.
We can squeal till the cows come home. May says it's done, we're going. I'm prepared to move on and do my bit.
For me, I'll continue to hire local youth and give them a trade.
I won't be employing a east european, just because they are cheap.
I'm thinking long term. The way the EU is going, from immigration troubles ( I won't spell it out)/ Italy on the brink now/ German Deutsche branches closing/ Greece,Portugal,Spain scraping the barrel in economic and unemployment/ Denmark,Holland not happy and want out/France simmering into chaos/ bugger it, tis only a matter of time. They either reform now, or collapse.
I wanted out and got it.
Last I'm saying on it.
I've done enough whinging and moaning about things not being fair, being a Forest fan.
I've decided to move on and make the best of what I want, not a non entity, in Brussels.

[ramAnag]

Pleased to hear you 'won't be employing an East European, just because they are cheap'. That sort of attitude from gang masters and the like has created part of the mess that's been created, not by the EU but by greedy and avaricious employers. Equally I'd hope you wouldn't rule out a potential employee just because they come from Poland or wherever.
Either way, I've learned something and although there's much we continue to disagree over, at least we've behaved better than the majority of our leaders.

[Manofpride]

[swaledale]

Well whatever.
As I said, no matter what I nor what anyone else has said, the vote went out.
We can squeal till the cows come home. May says it's done, we're going. I'm prepared to move on and do my bit.
For me, I'll continue to hire local youth and give them a trade.
I won't be employing a east european, just because they are cheap.
I'm thinking long term. The way the EU is going, from immigration troubles ( I won't spell it out)/ Italy on the brink now/ German Deutsche branches closing/ Greece,Portugal,Spain scraping the barrel in economic and unemployment/ Denmark,Holland not happy and want out/France simmering into chaos/ bugger it, tis only a matter of time. They either reform now, or collapse.
I wanted out and got it.
Last I'm saying on it.
I've done enough whinging and moaning about things not being fair, being a Forest fan.
I've decided to move on and make the best of what I want, not a non entity, in Brussels.

I agree its going to be interesting times politically and the political elites in the Uk and other countries should sit up and take notice, though I wont hold my breath, my guess is that in the UK they will do what they always do, pay lip service and manipulate matters to a way that suits them and their corporate masters but we shall see.

As for other countries we shall see, most don't take the narrow view that many Brexits have and it would be a shame to see the rise of the far right on a false promise of freedom, which as history has shown is not a welcome move, but then it is in the hands of politicians to address peoples comcerns.

I would hope you dont employ anyone on the cheap, there are laws against that, (though our UK government dont seem very good at imposing them) and good luck though with finding enough local youth with the right attitude and skills maybe in your line of work there are sufficient for what you need, unfortunately that does not seem to be the case in other industries that actually pay the going rate.

For me personally it wont affect me, so I'm neither squealing or whining but i do think a massive gamble has been taken which could go either way, however we are not returning to the days of the 70's anytime soon, the past has gone and nobody in history has succeeded in replicating whatever they think the golden age was!

[mistaram]

Bet its not Anag thanks for your input at least you try to understand both sides I gave up on Swales about 200 posts ago definitely would not try and explain anything to him Have to agree with Tricky but once the seasons starts I will resume hostilities 😬😬

[ramAnag]

Thanks for the compliment mr...but I wouldn't 'give up' on Swale. We've had our occasional disagreements but I agree with virtually all he's said on this thread...think he's just a bit more 'riled' and confrontational about it all. I'm not that keen on confrontation but can be a stubborn sod when things really matter. 327 isn't so bad though.

[swaledale]

Bet its not Anag thanks for your input at least you try to understand both sides I gave up on Swales about 200 posts ago definitely would not try and explain anything to him Have to agree with Tricky but once the seasons starts I will resume hostilities 😬😬

Wasn't aware that you tried, but do realise that people just dont get the fact that what they have voted for wont actually have the change they think it will. Still you come back in a few years and tell me I'm wrong no problem!

[Ram59]

Voting for brexit doesn't mean that we can't have any immigration, but at least we will have the power to control who we let in. There are many fine people from eastern Europe who have enhanced our country but there are also many rapists, burglars, thieves, etc from all over Europe or nationalised in Europe, who we cannot stop.

Yes, we get grants from the eu, but we pay more in than we get out,that is proven. What about these grants, my friend told me that he had a grant of 250k for a machine in his company. Fair enough if it meant jobs and he couldn't get it without the grant, BTW in the last year he's bought himself a Porsche Macan and just moved into a new 500k house, not that his had to sell his old one, which he's now renting out. Oh, the machine's come from Germany.

My farmer mate, in order to keep his grant, has had to change his crop rotation into a mindless and inefficient system.

Also, a local dual carraigeway was 'improved'with the aid of an eu grant. But the condition was that one lane was turned into a bus lane for 2 half hourly bus services.

Friends in the local health and education services complain on the fortunes spent on translators. Many local schools now have a high percentage of pupils that don't speak English, causing problems for our children.

Someone please tell me the advantages of stopping in the eu. Excluding trade, because other countries trade with the eu. Excluding their good workers because Europeans work all over the world. Excluding their laws, the good ones which our government can copy after seeing how they work.

[Andy_Faber]

Much as I hate sticking up for a red (it is pre-season though), Tricky does have a point on the Coudenhove Kalergi plan. Its something I'd not heard of until I got involved with some public sector wallahs who were auditing my biz prior to some grant award. I won't go into the details because its just an anecdote, but it became clear that there is a devotion to Kalergi, with an almost masonic approach, a sort of 'nod and a wink' club, in some parts of the public sector.

Rather than just dismiss his comments as just the rants of a someone with nine months of torture ahead of him, it might be enlightening to do a bit of research on that one. I say that as someone who has no racism in him on a person by person level, but my opinion is that the Kalergi-focussed open door policy of previous UK administrations is what has led to the recent, and growing, anti-immigration backlash which IMO swung the Brexit result