Quote Originally Posted by millmoormagic View Post
Now we're getting to the nub of things, Piers Morgan is a muppet who likes to bully folk, so is your Tommy, two peas in a pod, Morgan writes for the daily fail doesn't edit it so has no control on that side, i'm with you though, the rag should be consigned to the bin, and he's is indeed the worst kind of bloke, a hypocritical no mark.

Let's get things straight, i know of no one who doesn't want an end to Islamic extremism, whether they be left/right/centre, fact, the differences are how you go about stopping it. What you are not realising is that Tommy is part of the problem, alongside many other right wing nut jobs, they're actually feeding the extremism. I totally understand the anger, the frustration, the absolute willingness to get something done about it, but demonising a whole religion is not the way, can not ever be so. Listen, i'm what you'd call left wing i guess, and i'm supposed to be a wishy washy tree hugger, in the eyes of the nutjobs like Tommy, but i'd willingly pull the trigger on jihadists, but you just cannot, in a civilised society, do that, can you?
The only answer is inclusion and education, for ALL our people, you, me, christian.muslim, athiest etc etc, we have a chance to create a country that takes away the hatred that these folk obviously have, don't get me wrong, extremism means exactly that, there will always be folk that take religious teachings to the Nth degree, and we should do everything we can to rout them, you've said yoursef, some muslims become radicalised, like some christians do, like some hindu's do, like some sikh's do....we can sort this, we just need to be strong, and stop thinking that constatly demonising a whole community will actually help anyone.
Completely agree with this. As I've said before, and Piers says in the interview, Tommy has some good points and could use his experience as part of a holistic approach to redusing and ending the problem.

But calling the problem "Islam" as you say is a huge backwards step and plays right into Isis's dirty hands. He says EXACTLY what they would want an influential indigenous person to say. All my workmates and friends, all peaceful, law abiding (can't believe I have to even say this knowing them as well as I do!) people who have integrated into our society. But they believe in Islam. Just as Christians do, although it is fair to say that we have amended most of the gory details in transition from old to new testaments. But an extremist won't be interested in a 'new' version of their faith. They are...extremists, far removed from thought that is rational. My Muslim friends, as well as the vast majority of the faith are able to take their own more positive, peaceful and loving parts of their sacred text and live their lives accordingly. Somebody waving their 'holy text' around saying "this is the problem", "this must be banned", "the problem is with Islam" can only serve to alienate peace loving Muslims and push the more susceptible ones further into the arms of Isis.

Surely, our movement should be focused on terrorists, people who use this text as a reason or excuse to carry out their hateful actions.

I'm afraid, on watching the video (yes Morgan is an a*se we all know that), the bottom line is that Robinson is fueling the Isis cause and as a result putting our people just that little bit more at risk as more recruits are gained.