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    Exactly pup. Great fire is Still obsessed with the child abuse stuff. Yes it was wrong and yes it's being punished and rightly so but this thread is about the way forward now. Even ellis bless him is trying to find a way forward now. You need to do this as well great fire because this constant mantra is just divisive and pointless. We had threads about this years ago. There is no one on this forum who doesnt think child grooming whoever does it is despicable.
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    Got duplicated so removed this post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Excellent news GF. I'm just reading Sarah Wilson's book and it is stomach turning. I hope that all the men involved get arrested and fullest penalty. Hateful b*stards everyone of them that took part.

    But what does that have to do with this thread????
    I noticed all the apologists in this thread, also it is a form of terrorism as far as I'm concerned, against the young white female population.

    They won't all get arrested though, not the pimps and certainly not all of the clients, haven't got the prison places for them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    I noticed all the apologists in this thread, also it is a form of terrorism as far as I'm concerned, against the young white female population.

    They won't all get arrested though, not the pimps and certainly not all of the clients, haven't got the prison places for them all.
    Blimey - how on earth can you categorize grooming and rape as terrorism?

    Is grooming and rape terrorism when carried out by a white person? We have grooming gangs in lots of cities - all of them sickening and deserving of fullest criminal justice. But terrorism? That's a looooong stretch of logic.

    Almost looks like your crowbarring in separate issues into this one, just as it was carried out by a large gang of Asian men and, having found no way of logically responding to the questions I had raised (namely, if Islam is the problem, what practical solutions do you have to suggest) so you thought you'd try and regain the upper hand by throwing in this dreadful irrelevancy!

    Why not just try and engage with that question? If you don't or can't, then it just looks like you're trying to propagate a problem without caring about any solutions? Or caring that this very attitude is exactly what Isis wants from you; to spread hatred and mistrust generally to all Muslim people.

    Doesn't it worry you that Isis actually state quite openly that they seek to carry out atrocities that revolt non-Muslims and cause them to blame and punish Muslims? That's EXACTLY what they say themselves they set out to do. They don't make a secret of it.

    Don't you even stop for a moment and think about that?

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    Should be categorised as terrorism, targeting and terrorising white children.

    Certainly racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    Should be categorised as terrorism, targeting and terrorising white children.

    Certainly racism.
    Not sure what definition of terrorism you are using there? What makes you think they were ONLY targeting white girls? Have you read Wilson's book? Does she say anything about this?

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    Give up now great fire your so blinkered I'm surprised you dont fall over things. You make yourself look foolish.What are you going to blame muslims for next, the poor weather? It's ridiculous...

    Go and live on a little island somewhere and you will be happy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    From a person who has done some research on Hammond: http://idiotscrusade.blogspot.co.uk/...1_archive.html

    "So – to Dr Peter Hammond himself. Who is he? A further on-line search took me to a site run by an American evangelist called Jay Rogers, whose recent posts include “Puritan Storm Rising”, “Abortion: The Religion of Witchcraft and Child Sacrifice”, “Occult Roots of Abortion” and bizarrely “Is “Nero” in the new Star Trek movie an intentional Christian allegory?”. On his site Rogers describes meeting Hammond:

    “I had a couple of dynamic spiritual experiences this week. The first was meeting Dr. Peter Hammond of Frontline Fellowship, South Africa. Dr. Hammond is a personal “hero” of mine and is doing more to promote true Revival than anyone I can think of. He spoke of his mission’s work in Africa – the vision is no less than “All of Africa for Christ.” Hammond understands that Revival isn’t simply life-changing on a personal and pietistic level, but nation-changing and world-changing as well.”

    Rogers has also posted a “ten commandments” style list of esoteric thoughts on what Hammond describes as “neo-Puritanism”, most of which is very dull reading, but points nine and ten read as follows:

    “9. Frontline Fellowship’s vision is the transformation of all of Africa and the world. Neo-Puritanism is having an impact in these nations from children in home schools and church schools to the highest levels of government where presidents and high ranking officials are being impacted with world changing Gospel teaching.

    10. We need to elect politicians with the backbone of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan who stood up to communism, not to appease anti-Christian tyranny, but to defeat it. Our attitude toward militant Islam should not be a “turn-the-other-cheek-pacifism.” Military action by African Christians in defense against Islam is not only permissible from a New Testament perspective, but mandated to defend the faith. There could even come a time in America when Christians may have to take up arms against invasive regimes, false religions and an oppressive government in our own land.”

    In response there is a posting from “Anonymous commenting and asking: …Awesome, I want to link to this in facebook, how do I?, and Rogers passes on the link to him.

    A quick search reveals that the “ten commandments of Dr Hammond” has registered at least 2,740 hits on Google.

    A further search brought me to a site called Iviews.com, who quote Dr Hammond thus:

    “In spite of the odds, the Christians [of Sudan] are ‘doing something’ about their situation, they are standing up against the evil of Islam. . . not only fighting for survival, but fighting to win back that nation for Christ.” – Derek Hammond, missionary affiliated with South African pro-apartheid group, Frontline Fellowship

    It should be noted that Hammond refers here to the Christian Sudan Peoples Liberation Army – The SPLA claims to be defending the population of South Sudan from Khartoum’s army and from Islamization. “Though its members claim to be ‘Christians’ resisting Islamization, they have behaved like an occupying army, killing, raping and pillaging,” wrote the New York Times.

    For clarity I should include Iviews.com’s ‘Mission’:

    “Iviews.com is an interactive publication that focuses upon providing timely reporting and insightful analysis and commentary on issues and events of importance to Muslims. While the publication is written from a Muslim perspective, its focus is not religious. Rather, iViews.com simply strives to add balance and objectivity to an otherwise homogenous media pool. Through expanded news coverage of the Muslim world, in depth analysis of world, national and local issues and enlightened intellectual perspectives, iViews.com works to bring to the fore, issues that might have received only cursory attention from typical media sources.”

    An article entitled “Christian ‘Slave Redeemers’ Linked to Pro-Apartheid Militants” by Ishmael Royer states:

    “Christian “slave redeemers” who are allied with Sudanese rebels have close links to militant South African missionary groups with ties to the former apartheid government of South Africa.”

    It goes on:

    “In Touch Mission International (ITMI) is a Christian missionary group based in Tempe, Arizona. It is the American arm of the South Africa-based ultra-right missionary group Frontline Fellowship. Frontline Fellowship activists have made dozens of trips to South Sudan, where they say they “smuggle Bibles” to Christian Sudanese… The chairman of Frontline Fellowship is Peter Hammond, a former South African army sniper and intelligence officer. Hammond, the son-in-law of ITMI president Bill Bathman, formed Frontline Fellowship on a South African military base in Namibia, drawing on ex-Rhodesian commando units for members. Frontline Fellowship literature called the South African army under apartheid a “missionary force” which must be supported.”

    So, with a little investigation, the real purpose of posting sections of Peter Hammonds book, (and disseminating it widely via the net) is revealed. The old saying “don’t believe everything you read” rings very true. Agendas can be lightly disguised from the casual reader, as in this case, where political and religious extremism spread hatred, lies and manipulated truths about the religion of Islam. In case anyone disputes the validity of Iview’s sources, I quote the bibliography of their article below, and advise you to go and read it at Iviews.com (Article Ref: IV9912-755) – dated 21/12/1999.

    1. Time, December 21, 1998 pg. 44

    2. On one trip in January of this year Wiebalck was accompanied by SPLA Executive Council Member Arthur Akuien Chol, John Garang’s minister of finance and economic planning. See The Indian Ocean Newsletter, April 26, 1997

    3. United Press International October 30, 1989

    4. Mail and Guardian (Johannesburg), September 23, 1999. The document referred to was reproduced in: Mail and Guardian (Johannesburg) September 19, 1997

    5. Financial Times (London), September 8, 1986

    6. Time, March 28, 1988; also, The Courier-Journal (Louisville, KY) March 19, 1988

    7. Chicago Sun-Times 12/11/1987

    8. The Indian Ocean Newsletter, November 27, 1999

    9. Ibid.

    10. Mail and Guardian (Johannesburg), September 23, 1999

    11. The Arizona Republic, 10/29/1989 Page A14

    12. Mail and Guardian, September 23, 1999

    13. Africa News, November, 1989

    14. Mail and Guardian, September 23, 1999

    15. Africa News, November, 1989

    16. For example: “Militia Leaders Propose Solution to End Montana Standoff,” PR Newswire, May 23, 1996

    17. The Nation , 9/26/88, Pg. 228

    And talking of newspapers two last views of Peter Hammond:

    “If you believe Christ wants a holy war to preserve apartheid, the Reverend Peter Hammond is your general, his Frontline Fellowship your army,” wrote the National Catholic Reporter in 1989."


    In short, a devout Christian missionary who has written a book with very poor sources slagging off a rival religion which has been massively quoted online by people with a similar agenda.

    And on this you are basing an entire world view?
    All right, fair enough, he's not the greatest person in the world to be quoting from, and obviously I knew nothing about all this stuff. But I still stand by the fact that a lot of what he is saying in the post I copied and pasted rings true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    Exactly pup. Great fire is Still obsessed with the child abuse stuff. Yes it was wrong and yes it's being punished and rightly so but this thread is about the way forward now. Even ellis bless him is trying to find a way forward now. You need to do this as well great fire because this constant mantra is just divisive and pointless. We had threads about this years ago. There is no one on this forum who doesnt think child grooming whoever does it is despicable.
    Yes but it should still be kept in the public eye, not brushed under the carpet. We can't say, 'Well it happened years ago so let's forget about it.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellis_D View Post
    All right, fair enough, he's not the greatest person in the world to be quoting from, and obviously I knew nothing about all this stuff. But I still stand by the fact that a lot of what he is saying in the post I copied and pasted rings true.
    "I still stand by the FACT" what FACT would that be then?

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