OT another terrorist attack.

[ragingpup]

So you are calling Exile a racist for making a general statement ? What statement would that be please ?

Already covered above Turf. As mentioned it comes down to making generalized statements about Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences. We all know where we stand. If you want to make statements like that, say it in your work place and see where you end up.

[millmoormagic]

Going back to the subject of where the apologists on here do the terrorist's propaganda for them when they go on about our foreign policy and saying that is invading Islamic countries is the main reason for the terrorism we are now suffering here.....

What about what is going on in the Philippines? What about all the insurgents in the south of Thailand and the murder of Buddhist monks? What about the kidnapping, rape and murder of so many innocent women and girls in Nigeria by Boko Haram? Were all those invading Muslim countries? You do these people a great disservice when you make excuses for the terrorists, and as I said, you do their dirty propaganda for them.

Hahaha, the irony of that post is quite frankly staggering, you've gone Ellis, you've finally gone over the edge, your argument is shot, the more you've been shot down, the more extreme you've become, the people debating with you arent apologists despite your obvious bleatings, the majority are just fair minded folk without a hatred for a particular religion. Give it up son.

[ragingpup]

If you have Muslim friends don't they have an issue with the fact you don't like religion and want us to move as as far from all religious practice as possible in the future? I agree by the way, I'm just curious if you have had this conversation with them and what they think about it?

Good question. I have as it happens, and they know where I stand on it and why. They totally understand it, and the couple we were out with last night were talking about the importance of letting their kids make their own minds up when old enough. They are bringing them up with the muslim faith but quite prepared to accept that the kids might choose differently as they get older and move through school with their mixed and non faith friends. I know you have differences with Kerr (and me now apparently) but I think he's right that our more secular society and its presence in schools is very powerful and teachers are mostly all very good at highlighting the differences between faiths and non faiths. Most of them have 'done uni' and are, unlike us old fools'very progressive. This is a great leveller of faith /non faith as kids, in all their radicalism grow into critical adults. They don't indulge and swallow the same crap wholesale that we more poisonous elders like to peddle. And that's great. True that religious schools are a barrier that we should aim to outlaw (in our opinion). Deal with your other new points later

[Exiletyke]

Already covered above Turf. As mentioned it comes down to making generalized statements about Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences. We all know where we stand. If you want to make statements like that, say it in your work place and see where you end up.

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You have said no such thing to me
& because it's been covered on here enough you think you can close the coversation & take the moral highground & take on this dismissive attitude It's no wonder you like Kerr
Political correctness dictates far too much & particularly in the workplace,ask Rotherham Council

[Ellis_D]

Hahaha, the irony of that post is quite frankly staggering, you've gone Ellis, you've finally gone over the edge, your argument is shot, the more you've been shot down, the more extreme you've become, the people debating with you arent apologists despite your obvious bleatings, the majority are just fair minded folk without a hatred for a particular religion. Give it up son.

I haven't been shot down at all. Maybe that is the opinion of you and 5 or 6 others who are deluded, but not the majority. The fact you have tried to cover up perfectly reasonable questions rather than answer them with pretending I have become more extreme proves perfectly that it is you who is desperate here, not me.

You and several others have tried to say it is mainly the fault we have invaded other countries that we have Islamic terrorism here. I have brought about a debate where it is happening in three other countries who have never invaded any Muslim country, and your answer to that is to call ME extreme! Rather than daring to speak about the actual extremists. Is that because you don;t have their foreign policy to hide behind?

My post was solely about Islamic terrorists too, and you doing their propaganda for them by giving them the excuse that their terrorism is down to our foreign policy, yet you have tried to twist it into an attack on the whole of Islam. Try, for once, to look at it logically and fairly...... And try to tell me how that doesn't sound like YOU are the one saying ALL Muslims are terrorists?!..... Because I was CLEARLY only talking about terrorists......

[ragingpup]

Incredible, despite me already replying to you on this subject yesterday and making it clear that I'm not interested one way or another whether someone wants to say a blessing to an animal before slaughtering it, for religious purpose or otherwise, and that that would make NO DIFFERENCE to me whether I would buy it or eat it, you are still going on about it as though I have an issue with it.

After a promising start on here you seem to have fallen into the category of leftist tosser who rather than reading what someone says, just makes things up to make them fit into their view of what a far right Nazi would really think, and twists other things to suit the agenda. Which is a shame.

Oh, and by the way, I haven't lived in Rotherham since I was about one and a half years old.

Maybe at cross purposes then. I thought you was concerned specifically about animal welfare and specifically about how non stunned animals are killed. Hence my recommendation about checking out regular meat products as well as Hal al. Re your other post about rspca recommendation for stunned I've already said that if go along with push for stunned only killing. I insist on this with my own and my daughters school. However, if you research in more depth it is not as simple as the rspca make out and many (veggies and vegans) do have issues with it as there is no proof that a stunned animal doesn't feel the pain any less. However, as I said the rspca position is the best we have at the moment

[Ellis_D]

Good question. I have as it happens, and they know where I stand on it and why. They totally understand it, and the couple we were out with last night were talking about the importance of letting their kids make their own minds up when old enough. They are bringing them up with the muslim faith but quite prepared to accept that the kids might choose differently as they get older and move through school with their mixed and non faith friends. I know you have differences with Kerr (and me now apparently) but I think he's right that our more secular society and its presence in schools is very powerful and teachers are mostly all very good at highlighting the differences between faiths and non faiths. Most of them have 'done uni' and are, unlike us old fools'very progressive. This is a great leveller of faith /non faith as kids, in all their radicalism grow into critical adults. They don't indulge and swallow the same crap wholesale that we more poisonous elders like to peddle. And that's great. True that religious schools are a barrier that we should aim to outlaw (in our opinion). Deal with your other new points later

Fair enough, they sound like good people. If only all religious people didn't try to force their religion upon their children, the UK would become a much better place.

I have a friend, well a friend on Facebook who I sometimes speak to anyway, who was raised as a Jeohavah's Witness. I remember her at school and the way she was. She thought the rest of use were going to Hell, I remember her telling us all. Anyway, through several conversations I have had with her, she now realises she was brainwashed. It was forced upon her. As she got older she educated herself and realised that it was all rubbish.

Because of this, and because she decided she no longer believed in God, her mum disowned her. She never went to her wedding, and has never met her two beautiful grandchildren. Her loss. But it just goes to show that the lies we are taught in school about God and religion can absolutely destroy families when the truth is told. This is a reason why we should have no religious schools and why children should ALL be educated properly.

[Exiletyke]

Fair enough, they sound like good people. If only all religious people didn't try to force their religion upon their children, the UK would become a much better place.

I have a friend, well a friend on Facebook who I sometimes speak to anyway, who was raised as a Jeohavah's Witness. I remember her at school and the way she was. She thought the rest of use were going to Hell, I remember her telling us all. Anyway, through several conversations I have had with her, she now realises she was brainwashed. It was forced upon her. As she got older she educated herself and realised that it was all rubbish.

Because of this, and because she decided she no longer believed in God, her mum disowned her. She never went to her wedding, and has never met her two beautiful grandchildren. Her loss. But it just goes to show that the lies we are taught in school about God and religion can absolutely destroy families when the truth is told. This is a reason why we should have no religious schools and why children should ALL be educated properly.

I had exactly the same experience when I found there was no Father Christmas
Traumatised

[ragingpup]

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You have said no such thing to me
& because it's been covered on here enough you think you can close the coversation & take the moral highground & take on this dismissive attitude It's no wonder you like Kerr
Political correctness dictates far too much & particularly in the workplace,ask Rotherham Council

I could see where the discussion was about to take us and as it had been covered before (the 'is it racism to generalize that all Muslims are x?') and we are unlikely to change stance I instead asked what for me is a more interesting question about how your Muslim friend reacts when you tell her that you think that all Muslims have little regard for human life. That's all I was thinking. I wasn't shutting anything down, just pursuing something more new and interesting. What do you want to do? Shall we go over that 'is it racist to call all Muslims x?' argument? Is that what you want? Quite happy to do that but we could just read over old posts?

[Exiletyke]

I could see where the discussion was about to take us and as it had been covered before (the 'is it racism to generalize that all Muslims are x?') and we are unlikely to change stance I instead asked what for me is a more interesting question about how your Muslim friend reacts when you tell her that you think that all Muslims have little regard for human life. That's all I was thinking. I wasn't shutting anything down, just pursuing something more new and interesting. What do you want to do? Shall we go over that 'is it racist to call all Muslims x?' argument? Is that what you want? Quite happy to do that but we could just read over old posts?

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You said no such thing to me but now you say you could see which way the discussion was about to take us [A clairvoyant as well]
Not quite the same thing is it?
Kerr would be proud of you
Talking of clairvoyance I think you doubt that I have a Muslim friend