F/A of Elite

[deadyoyomagpie]

Hey!

Check this out, horse racing lovers!

http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/

Wow - I've always known deaths in racing occur but had no idea of the scale of it. Very sad. I presume the horse racing community are actively working to tackle this? If not, they really should be.

[RhubarbPie]

Wow - I've always known deaths in racing occur but had no idea of the scale of it. Very sad. I presume the horse racing community are actively working to tackle this? If not, they really should be.

Sadly, some on here don't see it as a significant problem,

[RhubarbPie]

14 horses maimed and subsequently destroyed this month, alone.

And Elsie is ok with that ...

Sad.

[Elite_Pie]

14 horses maimed and subsequently destroyed this month, alone.

And Elsie is ok with that ...

Sad.

You come across as the sort of True Brit who would love the Queen.

Have you told her what a disgusting individual you think she is?

[Elite_Pie]

Wow - I've always known deaths in racing occur but had no idea of the scale of it. Very sad. I presume the horse racing community are actively working to tackle this? If not, they really should be.

Yes they are, in association with the RSPCA. Every fatality is logged and investigated, and the stats are used to make improvements such as re-siting, removing or omitting fences with an inordinate number of falls, restricting the number of runners, and better post-race treatment of horses. It will never be perfect, but I can assure you a lot is being done to improve things.

[RhubarbPie]

Yes they are, in association with the RSPCA. Every fatality is logged and investigated, and the stats are used to make improvements such as re-siting, removing or omitting fences with an inordinate number of falls, restricting the number of runners, and better post-race treatment of horses. It will never be perfect, but I can assure you a lot is being done to improve things.

"never be perfect" ... I suppose you think it's ok if it's only a few dozen horses that get maimed and destroyed each year as sacrifice to your gambling habits?

And pray tell, all this logging and investigating you claim is going on, how much is it helping the situation? What has been the reduction in maiming and destruction of horses due to all this?

You're a horse maimer, torturer, and killer, as a direct result of your support of this heinous 'sport'!!

HORSE KILLER!!!

[Elite_Pie]

You're a horse maimer, torturer, and killer, as a direct result of your support of this heinous 'sport'!!

HORSE KILLER!!!

I asked you a question earlier that you avoided, so I'll ask it again:

Would you say to Her Majesty the Queen "You're a horse maimer, torturer, and killer, as a direct result of your support of this heinous 'sport'!! HORSE KILLER!!!"?

[Elite_Pie]

And pray tell, all this logging and investigating you claim is going on, how much is it helping the situation? What has been the reduction in maiming and destruction of horses due to all this?

You were the one who posted the stats link, if you really want to know have a flick through and find out.

I will however give the Grand National a mention here. This was always a high risk race due to being the longest race, having the most fences to jump, and having the most runners. Several safety reviews have been done and several changes made. The distance was reduced, the fences made easier, landing side ditches filled, the start repositioned, the entry standard for both horse and jockey made more rigorous, and better post-race care provided. There have been no fatalities in the race since 2012*. It doesn't mean the problem is solved by any means, but it does show considerable effort is being made.

* The horse that died in 2012, Synchronised, is worth a mention because it disproves Smiffy's ill-informed post. Synchronised fell at the 6th fence, but was uninjured. Instead of standing still and waiting to be collected, the horse's instinct told him to get up and carry on galloping and jumping even though he had no rider telling him to. Sadly he was fatally injured when falling a second time.

[RhubarbPie]

You were the one who posted the stats link, if you really want to know have a flick through and find out.

I will however give the Grand National a mention here. This was always a high risk race due to being the longest race, having the most fences to jump, and having the most runners. Several safety reviews have been done and several changes made. The distance was reduced, the fences made easier, landing side ditches filled, the start repositioned, the entry standard for both horse and jockey made more rigorous, and better post-race care provided. There have been no fatalities in the race since 2012*. It doesn't mean the problem is solved by any means, but it does show considerable effort is being made.

* The horse that died in 2012, Synchronised, is worth a mention because it disproves Smiffy's ill-informed post. Synchronised fell at the 6th fence, but was uninjured. Instead of standing still and waiting to be collected, the horse's instinct told him to get up and carry on galloping and jumping even though he had no rider telling him to. Sadly he was fatally injured when falling a second time.

You are trying to dodge admitting the truth.

You talk about measures to reduce deaths, but you refuse to cite the statistics that fail to back that up. Instead, you focus on one race, rather than looking at the big picture.

I haven't gone through all years, but in 2016, 136 horses were brutally maimed and murdered by gambling enthusiasts. In 2017, that number skyrocketed to 159 horse maimings and murders.

Sounds like those so-called measures to reduce deaths have done NOTHING to protect horses.

That's the hard facts.

You say "It doesn't mean the problem is solved by any means". I would agree, increases in the number of horses getting injured and killed certainly support that statement ...

[Elite_Pie]

You talk about measures to reduce deaths, but you refuse to cite the statistics that fail to back that up. Instead, you focus on one race, rather than looking at the big picture.

OK, I'd say the last 20 years is a big picture:

"British Racing is open and transparent about the risks involved. Within the last 20 years, the equine fatality rate in British Racing has fallen by one-third (from 0.3% to just over 0.2% of runners)".

136 horses were brutally maimed and murdered by gambling enthusiasts. In 2017, that number skyrocketed to 159 horse maimings and murders.

So how exactly were these horses "brutally maimed and murdered by gambling enthusiasts"? Did these gambling enthusiasts use guns? Was it machetes and knives? Why didn't this make the front pages, and why were these gambling enthusiasts never brought to justice? Did the Queen do her bit in person or did she it delegate it to her servants? What action are you taking to address this public outrage?

I don't think you'll get very far on Notts County Mad!