The DERRY

[islaydarkblue]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

Hi hmac
You know that one of the problems of having 4,000 historical members was that it was very difficult to have a quorum at the AGM or Special Meeting as under the rules of the constitution at that time they needed around 200 members to be present. Members turned up for meetings when we were in admin 2 and shortly afterwards but like most groups members lose interest and does not bother turning up for AGM’s or other specially called meetings.