O/T Jeremy corbyn

[Shark27]

I see youve shifted the goal posts by adding 'the same as Hilters Nazi party'. Does that mean that I think Farage will lead the party to murder 6m jews? If so, no.

My answer is in my post above.

When I went to school the Nazi party were described as extreme right wing.

If someone describes the Brexit party as extreme right wing you should now see why I am not happy about it.

[ragingpup]

Extreme right preoccupations revolve around the belief that your own country is superior in any way to others and that the presence of other nationalities or races in your own country, or intending to come to your own country, will in whatever way make your own country/race inferior. Reactive policies of the far right are to politically resist such movement into your own country and in some cases, show hostility to or demand the deportation of races that are in your own country.

The nazis were at the very extreme end of this definition but it is very much a sliding scale. Farage is absolutely of the opinion that immigration has a negative impact on the UK culture. These lines can be blurred by such arguments like the dreadful use of immigration as a low paid workforce that does not assume that other races/cultures are inferior - we get many points of view from this perspective on here that I would not consider to be far right view points. That is arguing against a form of exploitation. But when you talk about other cultures bringing in negative behaviour (blacks = violent, Eastern Europeans = murderers, foreign people denying access to NHS) you can make arguments for such things but you would be arguing, by definition, from a far right perspective.

[BigLadonOS]

Extreme right preoccupations revolve around the belief that your own country is superior in any way to others and that the presence of other nationalities or races in your own country, or intending to come to your own country, will in whatever way make your own country/race inferior. Reactive policies of the far right are to politically resist such movement into your own country and in some cases, show hostility to or demand the deportation of races that are in your own country.

The nazis were at the very extreme end of this definition but it is very much a sliding scale. Farage is absolutely of the opinion that immigration has a negative impact on the UK culture. These lines can be blurred by such arguments like the dreadful use of immigration as a low paid workforce that does not assume that other races/cultures are inferior - we get many points of view from this perspective on here that I would not consider to be far right view points. That is arguing against a form of exploitation. But when you talk about other cultures bringing in negative behaviour (blacks = violent, Eastern Europeans = murderers, foreign people denying access to NHS) you can make arguments for such things but you would be arguing, by definition, from a far right perspective.

I have no doubt that there are extreme right wing people in the Brexit party as I also have no doubt there are in any other party in the UK but you cannot call the Brexit party as extreme right wing because of a small minority of people.

[ragingpup]

I have no doubt that there are extreme right wing people in the Brexit party as I also have no doubt there are in any other party in the UK but you cannot call the Brexit party as extreme right wing because of a small minority of people.

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right?

How about his arging that employment law should be changed to allow British employers to discriminate in favour of UK workers and against Southern and Eastern migrant workers: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ip-policy.html

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

On Germans: Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

On immigrants in general making him very late for a meeting: “It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four,” he said. “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

Mr Farage has also previously said he felt uncomfortable when people spoke other language on a train.


So I would argue that by the general definition that I have put forward, Farage is no neo Nazi, by a long chalk, and such exaggerations aren't helpful, but for God's sake just admit that his politics are of the Far Right. Own that.

[BigLadonOS]

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right?

How about his arging that employment law should be changed to allow British employers to discriminate in favour of UK workers and against Southern and Eastern migrant workers: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ip-policy.html

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

On Germans: Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

On immigrants in general making him very late for a meeting: “It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four,” he said. “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

Mr Farage has also previously said he felt uncomfortable when people spoke other language on a train.


So I would argue that by the general definition that I have put forward, Farage is no neo Nazi, by a long chalk, and such exaggerations aren't helpful, but for God's sake just admit that his politics are of the Far Right. Own that.

Thats the best you can do and you see that as enough to brand him far right? Do me a favour!!!

[BigLadonOS]

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right?

How about his arging that employment law should be changed to allow British employers to discriminate in favour of UK workers and against Southern and Eastern migrant workers: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ip-policy.html

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

On Germans: Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

On immigrants in general making him very late for a meeting: “It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four,” he said. “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

Mr Farage has also previously said he felt uncomfortable when people spoke other language on a train.


So I would argue that by the general definition that I have put forward, Farage is no neo Nazi, by a long chalk, and such exaggerations aren't helpful, but for God's sake just admit that his politics are of the Far Right. Own that.

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

I am sure he was asked if a group of 15 Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned?

I would be concerned if 15 men of any race creed or colour moved in next door to me as I am sure most would be.

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

I say it regular and I do not have a racist bone in my body.

You should really try to find better weapons to fight a war with or you are sure to lose the fight.

[rolymiller]

I never said brexit was a nazi party but I am trying to warn folks that it is a far rights party on par with thatchers party. If you don't mind that fair enough but for you ex labour voters out there who suffered under thatcher stopnand think. Do you want a thatcher type govt in power calling the shots bearing in mind what happened in theb80s and 90s. Seriously? Like I have said before the brexit party is not a neutral or left leaning partyIf you vote for them and you are a working class guy or gal this will bite you on the ar SE. You have been fooled and farage is the master of it.

If you are a wealthy guy on here then fair enough you could make a few quid out of farage.

[BigLadonOS]

I never said brexit was a nazi party but I am trying to warn folks that it is a far rights party on par with thatchers party. If you don't mind that fair enough but for you ex labour voters out there who suffered under thatcher stopnand think. Do you want a thatcher type govt in power calling the shots bearing in mind what happened in theb80s and 90s. Seriously? Like I have said before the brexit party is not a neutral or left leaning partyIf you vote for them and you are a working class guy or gal this will bite you on the ar SE. You have been fooled and farage is the master of it.

If you are a wealthy guy on here then fair enough you could make a few quid out of farage.

When the Brexit party publish it's (manifesto for want of a better word until Nige says what he is going to call it) is the time to argue your point not when there is no proof of what you are saying just your point of view of what it could or could not be.