O/T Jeremy corbyn

[great_fire]

A coincidence? So you're maintaining that a whole population of people are genetically/culturally to be more likely to be murderers based on coincidence?

But you can't be arsed to do any further research on it?

Who do you think is responsible, the local farmers?

Large groups of young people drunk on vodka what do you think is going to happen?

Why do you think Boston had the highest vote for Brexit?

[WanChaiMiller]

Seems like a huge coincidence.

Quote: "According to new Home Office figures, the most murderous place in England and Wales is the Lincolnshire town of Boston.

Two homicides and eight attempted murders were recorded in the Boston area, scaling to 15 murderous crimes for every 100,000 residents - the highest rate for any area in England and Wales.

However, Boston MP Matt Warman has described reports naming the town as the murder of Britain as ‘wildly incompetent’ and ‘playing stupid games’ with the statistics." Etc

[ragingpup]

Who do you think is responsible, the local farmers?

Large groups of young people drunk on vodka what do you think is going to happen?

Why do you think Boston had the highest vote for Brexit?

So lets look at the actual serious crimes including murder in Boston and surrounding region in 2018 chronicled here: :https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/n...s-most-2361093

1. UK man kills girlfriend: Joshua King
2. UK family convicted for keeping foreign slaves
3. UK man kills girlfriend: Shane Murphy
4. UK couple kill woman: Leon Handsworth/Hayley Planter
5. Drug Gang convicted: Norman Foreshaw, Roger Bayliss, Robert Shaw, Dwane Fowler, Elos Williams, Charlie Murray, Shane Hopkinson (none sound very Eastern European)
6. Historic child rapist: UK man Roy Griffiths
7. UK man kills local man: James Adam
8. Boston 'Gang Lord' murdered - UK Man John Kinsella
9. Latvian Murdered by 5 Eastern European men *This is what your talking about!
10. UK man attempted murder of girlfriend: James Quatrill
11. Serious drug trafficking conviction "flooding streets with Mamba: UK couple Stephen and Charlotte Bavin

What this tells us more than anything, if we want to draw any ridiculous assumptions from this data is that white UK men are pathologically insecure and violent towards their womenfolk. Probably genetically small ***** size is to blame?

But you seem to be right - the farmers didn't do it...

[WanChaiMiller]

Now can we get back to the original point. Are you still saying that the Brexit party are an extreme right wing organisation? Answer as simply as I did if you could?

Sorry to jump in Shark but I think Farage is pi**ing up your back.* There is an international white populist alliance linking right wing groups in USA, Australia, Western Europe and Britain. Farage is Chair of the group of the extreme right wing parties in Western Europe. There is a video of Bannon saying Farage would be the ideal person to head up an international group linking right wing parties worldwide.

Brexit has played a central role for the movement in the UK. The country is divided - the people are split, Parliament is split, the main political parties are split. With May going, and the need to deliver Brexit for the people, it means the door is wide open for a right winger to become leader of the Cons and our next Prime Minister. Rees Moggs ERG are sitting in the wings of the Tory Party. The country is ripe for a lurch to the right and there is no serious opposition.

[Shark27]

Sorry to jump in Shark but I think Farage is pi**ing up your back.* There is an international white populist alliance linking right wing groups in USA, Australia, Western Europe and Britain. Farage is Chair of the group of the extreme right wing parties in Western Europe. There is a video of Bannon saying Farage would be the ideal person to head up an international group linking right wing parties worldwide.

Brexit has played a central role for the movement in the UK. The country is divided - the people are split, Parliament is split, the main political parties are split. With May going, and the need to deliver Brexit for the people, it means the door is wide open for a right winger to become leader of the Cons and our next Prime Minister. Rees Moggs ERG are sitting in the wings of the Tory Party. The country is ripe for a lurch to the right and there is no serious opposition.

So do you think the Brexit party are an extreme right wing organisation?

I.e the same as Hitlers Nazi party in Germany?

[WanChaiMiller]

So do you think the Brexit party are an extreme right wing organisation?

I.e the same as Hitlers Nazi party in Germany?

I see youve shifted the goal posts by adding 'the same as Hilters Nazi party'. Does that mean that I think Farage will lead the party to murder 6m jews? If so, no.

My answer is in my post above.

[Shark27]

I see youve shifted the goal posts by adding 'the same as Hilters Nazi party'. Does that mean that I think Farage will lead the party to murder 6m jews? If so, no.

My answer is in my post above.

When I went to school the Nazi party were described as extreme right wing.

If someone describes the Brexit party as extreme right wing you should now see why I am not happy about it.

[ragingpup]

Extreme right preoccupations revolve around the belief that your own country is superior in any way to others and that the presence of other nationalities or races in your own country, or intending to come to your own country, will in whatever way make your own country/race inferior. Reactive policies of the far right are to politically resist such movement into your own country and in some cases, show hostility to or demand the deportation of races that are in your own country.

The nazis were at the very extreme end of this definition but it is very much a sliding scale. Farage is absolutely of the opinion that immigration has a negative impact on the UK culture. These lines can be blurred by such arguments like the dreadful use of immigration as a low paid workforce that does not assume that other races/cultures are inferior - we get many points of view from this perspective on here that I would not consider to be far right view points. That is arguing against a form of exploitation. But when you talk about other cultures bringing in negative behaviour (blacks = violent, Eastern Europeans = murderers, foreign people denying access to NHS) you can make arguments for such things but you would be arguing, by definition, from a far right perspective.

[BigLadonOS]

Extreme right preoccupations revolve around the belief that your own country is superior in any way to others and that the presence of other nationalities or races in your own country, or intending to come to your own country, will in whatever way make your own country/race inferior. Reactive policies of the far right are to politically resist such movement into your own country and in some cases, show hostility to or demand the deportation of races that are in your own country.

The nazis were at the very extreme end of this definition but it is very much a sliding scale. Farage is absolutely of the opinion that immigration has a negative impact on the UK culture. These lines can be blurred by such arguments like the dreadful use of immigration as a low paid workforce that does not assume that other races/cultures are inferior - we get many points of view from this perspective on here that I would not consider to be far right view points. That is arguing against a form of exploitation. But when you talk about other cultures bringing in negative behaviour (blacks = violent, Eastern Europeans = murderers, foreign people denying access to NHS) you can make arguments for such things but you would be arguing, by definition, from a far right perspective.

I have no doubt that there are extreme right wing people in the Brexit party as I also have no doubt there are in any other party in the UK but you cannot call the Brexit party as extreme right wing because of a small minority of people.

[WanChaiMiller]

When I went to school the Nazi party were described as extreme right wing.

If someone describes the Brexit party as extreme right wing you should now see why I am not happy about it.

I think there is a shift to what is considered extreme right in politics. Extreme Right in the 30s was to the right of Imperial Britain (who headed up an Empire that inflicted gross atrocities to indiginous people around the world with its agenda to create single race societies). Modern Tories are liberal by those standards.

Id consider Farage extreme right by modern standards. But, he heads up the Brexit party which has no stated policy. If you voted for them you have no way of knowing where its positioned politically. If you use Farage views as its political standard, Id say its extreme right.