O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

None of those are corporations.

The only big company that supports Brexit is Dyson.

How would you define them gf
Note the parenthesis around "multi corporations" in rp's post

[WanChaiMiller]

That's a separate issue which the government has had years to sort out, instead they've spent that time doing their best to prevent us leaving.

So you admit you didnt have a clue what you voted for.

[WanChaiMiller]

None of those are corporations.

The only big company that supports Brexit is Dyson.

Dyson and JCB were prominent supporters of Brexit.

Dyson moved his head office to Singapore - a few weeks before Singapore signed a trade deal with the EU. And JCB has its head office in Netherlands.

[BigLadonOS]

I’ve argued against a further referendum on this thread, so I’m not sure that I count a remainer, but I will address your points:

Staying in the EU, means remaining within the largest trading bloc in the world.

The Euro is a daft project in that it ties economies together in which there are different fiscal policies being run. I’d like to think that 2008 has persuaded the ECB and national governments that allowing member countries to break the rules of the currency by, say, running excessive budget deficits isn’t a good idea, but who knows.

There is no prospect of an EU Army outside the febrile imagination of the Leave campaign. Under Lisbon, it’s establishment would require a unanimous vote by member states and there is no chance of that.

Spanish and Italian employment is falling. Both countries discovered the consequences of running debt driven economies and, in the case of Italy in particular, did not take the difficult decisions that the UK did to address that. Their problem is of their own making, not that of the EU or Germany.

This is what the EU do to countries in trouble.

The Dublin III regulation, which applies to everyone in the EU. This regulation holds that refugees are the responsibility of the country where they first land. This means there is a disproportionate impact on Italy because of the international norm that requires ships rescuing refugees from the sea to land them at the nearest safe port, which in practice means Italian cities.

Until recently, most refugees could move on to northern Europe, where they wanted to go. But since September 2015, both France and Austria have closed their borders, and rescued migrants have been stuck in Italy. This situation has been not only unfair but also financially very burdensome at a time when Italy was lagging behind most other European countries economically.

Do the EU play fair to countries that are already in financial trouble as Italy was because of corrupt government back in the 80.s and to this day are still trying to come to terms with that? NO they do not, what they do instead is make it harder for them to recover by forcing them to spend even more money on people who the EU have forced on them.

On top of all that the EU are now threatening them with a fine of 3bn Euro's for helping cause a big part of the burden suffered by Italy.

What a fantastic organisation the EU is eh!

[BigLadonOS]

So you admit you didnt have a clue what you voted for.

We did not know what would happen if we left the EU that is correct but did we know that we did not know what would happen if we left the EU? YES WE DID KNOW THAT. We knew exactly the same amount of what would happen as the Remain voters knew about what would happen if we stayed in.

[BigLadonOS]

There is no prospect of an EU Army outside the febrile imagination of the Leave campaign. Under Lisbon, it’s establishment would require a unanimous vote by member states and there is no chance of that.

Oh I see. So when we tried to veto plans the EU wanted to implement where all members were needed to vote in favour and we did not vote for it and it still went through because of some law they put in to place after the vote which meant they could go ahead anyway was used to justify what they did is ok with you?

Look at all the fuss the Brexit party caused for turning their back on the EU anthem when a vote a couple of years earlier failed to back a EU anthem and no other vote has been taken about an anthem since that failed vote. The rulers of the EU never ever lose a vote because one way or another they always make sure they win.

The army of the EU is on its way mate dont you worry about that.

[MillerBill]

Three good reasons why we should be rid of this corrupt EU.The newly elected leaders ,done behind closed doors are Ursula von der Leyan,who wants an EU army,CharlesMichel who has mocked the UK for years and the notorious Christine Legard.She was a fore runner of the scaremongering project fear before the referendum.The same Ms.Legard who was involved in a financial scandel and convicted opf criminal negligence in 2016.Obviosly fits in nicely to become the European Bank president.UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ragingpup]

What about democracy and national sovereignty?

It's not all about the economy like you Remainers seem to think.

Would you be happy if far-right parties took over the EU? Just as long as the economy was OK that would be fine to you?

Buried in this thread somewhere is my question of ‘What have the EU stopped us doing or imposed on us, in relation to democracy and sovereignty?’

I received no replies. I’m happy to take them now you mention it. Please list examples of either:

1. Policies or ideas that we would like to undertake ourselves that the EU will not allow us to
2. EU policies that have been imposed on us against our express will that interfere with our democracy of sovereignty

I know that there are very small, infrequent occasions where we have objected against an EU rule coming into play but these are minor and very rare exceptions. Happy to look at any that you can put forward?

I accept that it is not just about the economy – far from it. I completely respect that there are huge concerns about immigration, and especially integration. And I respect the initial vote, but the transition to a deal is paramount for me. For reasons that I have pointed out on here numerous times, in my opinion, leaving the EU will make no difference to those employers exploiting low skilled/low wage imported workforce, and as pointed out above, it will make no difference to what we can and can’t do with our democracy and sovereignty. The only thing that is likely to change, based on reading economic forecasts from Remain and Leave based sources, is that we will suffer an economic downturn. So to limit this, I am happy to leave with a deal to limit the economic downturn.

As also pointed out on here many times, I am no fan of the EU and would be happy to leave with a deal that maintains the main purpose of why it was set up, a common market. I would very much like to stop employers exploiting low wage migrants. But what is the use of gaining this potential power when we don’t even use the powers that we do have with immigration from the rest of the world? There has to be political will, and as far as stopping employers exploiting migrant workers, there is no political will. It’s just an illusion that has been/ is being cynically used to get Leave support. But evidence to propose its take over as a ‘far right’ organisation is as few and far between as the evidence that there is going to be a EU army that we are forced into joining.

[great_fire]

So you admit you didnt have a clue what you voted for.

Did you?

[WanChaiMiller]

Did you?

I doubted that brexiteers knew what they were voting for all along.