O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[BigLadonOS]

Credit where it’s due BL, that’s a good find. I’ve seen one appearance on Press TV, and then seen your second. I assume that these were the 2 that he was paid for. I have no idea about the panel TV appearance, in terms of what year and payment but it isn’t recorded on the Theyworkforyou site. Possibly before the ‘presenting’ appearances but I honestly don’t know. It certainly isn’t recorded under the 2009-12 payments and can’t find anything else in Corbyn’s records on the website. Maybe he did them for fun? Happy to acknowledge though that I was wrong and he has appeared on more than 2 programmes on Press TV, albeit not part of the sequence of programmes discussed in the Pink News link you shared.

Yes, the Pink News link only has Corbyn saying he presented some programs but does not go on to say just how many "some" was, I assume by some he means 2 or more but it could also mean 10? Who knows exactly.

[BigLadonOS]

And yet another one.

https://flowplayer.com/s/?t=PressTV-...-anti-Semitism

Corbyn is a NASTY piece of work.

[EasyAndEarly]

This antisemitic stuff is akin to the racist card played for years in our country.

Just stating fact or even opinion does not constitute antisemitic or racist views.

The fact is there is enough factual stories that tell of the wrongdoings of all concerned - stating those facts is due process when tackling problems associated with international politics.

Is saying the Germans killed Jews during the war racist?

Well that's the basis of the antisemitic bull being spouted nowadays about Labour and JC. It's mud slinging and so sticks but it isn't true.

Pure propaganda in an effort to drag Labour down while the Tories drown in their own faeces.

Bofine excrement at best. Look at the timing and the benefactors....not worth a second look.

[ragingpup]

And yet another one.

https://flowplayer.com/s/?t=PressTV-...-anti-Semitism

Corbyn is a NASTY piece of work.

Hang on a minute. Are we now counting interviews as the TV programmes? I think you’re confusing the agreed presentations of TV programmes that Corbyn was paid for and interviews with news stations, of which Press TV is just one of thousands of news stations. This is not what Corbyn was paid for to present. I would agree that he was wrong to continue to do any interviews like this with Press TV after he stopped his initial shows in 2010.

Re: the content of the interview itself, this is quite old news. What is it that offends you? What exactly is being said that you think is anti-Semitic? I see that Corbyn expressed suspicion of Israel involvement in Egyptian police deaths. There seems to be good reason for these claims. We suspect other countries such as Russia for Salisbury, Iran for the tanker bombing. Does that make us racist against these countries?

This is one of the pains in our asses – I am married into a Jewish family; they are very liberal but I have been called anti-Semitic by a rather Fundamentalist cousin on her side because I put up the other side of the Israel v Palestine debate. That’s how easily it happens, and we too easily (and in many cases, quite deliberately) confuse political debate on Israel and Palestine, which is tortuously complicated with horrors and blame on both sides as anti-Semitism.

[sawmiller]

Since when has it been anti-Semitic to question or challenge Jews?

My wife is Jewish and sometimes I question challenge her but she never accuses me of being anti-Semitic oddly enough. Perhaps she’s anti-Semitic too as she feels deeply uncomfortable about quite a few things that Israel do and will openly question and challenge them

[rolymiller]

Great point Sawmiller. It's strange how some on here who use the Labour anti semitic argument to criticise Labour don't use the same argument about Islamophobia in the Tory Party. Are they saying we can criticise muslims but not jews? No religions should be beyond criticism.

[ragingpup]

Since when has it been anti-Semitic to question or challenge Jews?

My wife is Jewish and sometimes I question challenge her but she never accuses me of being anti-Semitic oddly enough. Perhaps she’s anti-Semitic too as she feels deeply uncomfortable about quite a few things that Israel do and will openly question and challenge them

You're not challenging her on the washing up are you Saw?

Seriously, my wife is exactly the same.

I would say that Labour has always had a problem with more extreme leftists blaming Israel/Jews with ridiculous conspiracies on world wealth ownership and fingers in pies of multi national. We've also had a problem with similar people who see only one side of the Israel/Palestine historical problem and bleat on against Israel crimes whilst ignoring other dreadful leaderships (including the Palestinians). And it is absolutely true that the party's move from centre to more left wing under Corbyn and the 'entryism' has brought in a new infiltration of people who hold these kind of views. But in my experience, they are very much on the fringe, very much the equivalent of the far right in their obsessiveness and use of social media to attack their 'targets'. Completely repulsive.

But mixed in with this is the people who raise legitimate concerns about Israel foreign policy and actions, much the same as many other regimes in other countries in history including our own. We proudly have a strong Jewish support in the Labour movement and the Israel/Palestine conflict remains more in view than other world horrors due to this link with the party, and counter argument from within it. Its a real schizophrenia and not comfortable for decent members. Added to this are the centrist MPs who have always hated Corbyn and are still doing whatever they can to get rid. A heady mixture!

Obviously, and understandably, opponents look to exploit this confusion and either willfully or, as in BL's case, not really being able to see the difference between criticism of Israel and Antisemitism. I've yet to see the Panarama doc but assume there will be the usual mix of some genuine complaints and some distortions. I think it is fair to say that whilst, for these reasons, getting to the heart of the complaints, telling genuine from phony and reaching conclusions to take away membership is a challenge to say the least, but the leadership have not risen well to the challenge to say the least and are now very badly tainted. Unfair as much of the mud slinging may be, and however cynical many media outlets have been in making the most of the issue, it is a very real problem and it hasn't been dealt with well enough. It is hugely damaging in people's perceptions which is huge when it comes to winning votes and is now I think outweighing the positives brought about by Corbyn.

[BigLadonOS]

Re: the content of the interview itself, this is quite old news. What is it that offends you? What exactly is being said that you think is anti-Semitic? I see that Corbyn expressed suspicion of Israel involvement in Egyptian police deaths. There seems to be good reason for these claims. We suspect other countries such as Russia for Salisbury, Iran for the tanker bombing. Does that make us racist against these countries? .

Well if you go around making sweeping statements like the one below you can only deduce that Corbyn has 2 faces and both of them are nasty.

"Jeremy Hunt condemned Jeremy Corbyn’s response to the Gulf of Oman oil tanker attacks as “pathetic and predictable” after the Labour leader questioned whether there was credible evidence Iran was responsible.

The US accused Iran of carrying out Thursday’s attacks on two oil tankers and the British government announced Friday that it was “almost certain” Iran’s Revolutionary Guard was responsible. Iran has denied responsibility.

Mr Corbyn said the government’s response was making war more likely.

“Britain should act to ease tensions in the Gulf, not fuel a military escalation that began with US withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement,” Mr Corbyn said. “Without credible evidence about the tanker attacks, the government’s rhetoric will only increase the threat of war.”

Tell me I am wrong.

[sawmiller]

No mate washing-up is often my job !

[ragingpup]

Well if you go around making sweeping statements like the one below you can only deduce that Corbyn has 2 faces and both of them are nasty.

"Jeremy Hunt condemned Jeremy Corbyn’s response to the Gulf of Oman oil tanker attacks as “pathetic and predictable” after the Labour leader questioned whether there was credible evidence Iran was responsible.

The US accused Iran of carrying out Thursday’s attacks on two oil tankers and the British government announced Friday that it was “almost certain” Iran’s Revolutionary Guard was responsible. Iran has denied responsibility.

Mr Corbyn said the government’s response was making war more likely.

“Britain should act to ease tensions in the Gulf, not fuel a military escalation that began with US withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement,” Mr Corbyn said. “Without credible evidence about the tanker attacks, the government’s rhetoric will only increase the threat of war.”

Tell me I am wrong.

I honestly don't understand what you're arguing? You linked to an article about Corbyn being anti semitic.wasn't that your argument. You now seem to have moved into summat else? What you talking about? I'm baffed?