O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Project fear CBI at it again with the extremist bleak "predictions" and would you believe Vauxhall motors threatening us.A French owned company probably been briefed by Macron our friendly neighbour.As predictable as they come.

But it works, the sheep fall for it and go where the sheepdogs send them, happily bleating.

Propaganda works that way, lies repeated enough become "facts"

[great_fire]

Since they're owned by the French they may move to France or elsewhere though, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have done that anyway, the EU has been giving grants to companies to leave the UK for decades, asset stripping, but the Remainers think they're our friends for some reason.

[ragingpup]

Good on Sarah Champion for respecting the people of Rotherham's wishes to leave the EU.It's a pity other local MPs ignore the result given and do not stand up for their constituents.Like another local MP Caroline Flint,she has said no deal must be kept on the table to put pressure on the EU.It is up to the EU to compromise now and not us,which we were doing under Olly Robins controlled Mrs.May.Irish companies are not happy with the EU puppet of a prime minister, by putting the EU's interest before the Irish people.They are beginning to realise that they have so much trade with us,it would be bad news for them if the EU do not remove this stubborn stand.

It's up to the EU to compromise MillerBill?

To what extent are we compromising? In what way are you willing to compromise?

[MillerBill]

Now then pup,we have already MASSIVELY compromised by offering 39 billion by May and Remainiac Robbins.So,unless they come off their high horse and work out a deal that suits us, that enormous amount of money will not be given to them,which would damage a lot of theses smaller EU members.A lot of pressure will be put on the Irish prime minister from within, because Irish trade has a very close relationship with the UK,so they want to come to some deal to avoid this disruption.He has so far been too happy to let the EU use the backstop as a political device to obstruct our exit.

[ragingpup]

Now then pup,we have already MASSIVELY compromised by offering 39 billion by May and Remainiac Robbins.So,unless they come off their high horse and work out a deal that suits us, that enormous amount of money will not be given to them,which would damage a lot of theses smaller EU members.A lot of pressure will be put on the Irish prime minister from within, because Irish trade has a very close relationship with the UK,so they want to come to some deal to avoid this disruption.He has so far been too happy to let the EU use the backstop as a political device to obstruct our exit.

We haven't offered them that money. That money is our obligations for what we have already committed to before we decided to leave.

That is like agreeing a mutual business partnership for 10 years with agreed financial commitments with your business partner, but then deciding to leave with 4 years left, still owing 4 years on the 10 year commitment that you've made.

So what have you actually, really agreed to compromise?

[Exiletyke]

We haven't offered them that money. That money is our obligations for what we have already committed to before we decided to leave.

That is like agreeing a mutual business partnership for 10 years with agreed financial commitments with your business partner, but then deciding to leave with 4 years left, still owing 4 years on the 10 year commitment that you've made.

So what have you actually, really agreed to compromise?

I think you know full well rp that the sum of £39 billion is not the sum that is owed under your description

[ragingpup]

I think you know full well rp that the sum of £39 billion is not the sum that is owed under your description

What do you understand that money is for?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_divorce_bill

[howdydoo]

Some reyt negotiators on here.

Do people think our Euro neighbours are going to wave goodbye to their existing trade with the UK.

No deal is our best bargaining tool now. Too much fear out there.

Stop whining and start a 40 year campaign as rejoiners if you don’t like it.

Not that the EU project will last that long.

[Exiletyke]

What do you understand that money is for?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_divorce_bill

Ok if you're going to start a Kerrism try this one
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...-after-brexit/

[animallittle3]

For the past few days I've looked in to the left and it's historical viewpoint of the UK in the european project since we joined in 1973 .

I've done it because

A , I'm sad .

B , its pyssed it down these last few days .

C , I was fecking curious given most of my views don't reconcile with the vanity project that is the left today .

My research found that the British Left aligned themselves with the Tory right and campaigned to leave the EEC in 1975 , Tony Benn and Enoch Powell shared the stage , a young Jeremy Corbyn was a background activist .

The Trade Unions in 1975 recommended the members should vote to leave the EEC .

Bear in mind the Trade Unions in 1975 were a very big deal and held massive influence back then on the working class .

Now if you fast forward to today and what is often described as a left leaning Labour leadership you'd conclude that they are remainers , the trade unions are remainers , the Labour membership are remain and supposedly support groups such as Momentum are pro EU , the various strains of the parliamentary Labour Party are very much remainers .

So what you might say .

Well consider the 2016 referendum geographical results , the leave vote was at its highest in the old heavy industrial heartlands , in other words historically fertile left wing areas with a trade union heritage .

The electorate in these brexit heartlands were leavers right from the moment we joined the common market in 1973 .

Right from remainer PM Harold Wilson through to euromaniac Tony Blair and on to supposedly left wing Corbyn the left have been abandoned or should I say the electorate in brexitland have been abandoned , by their own fecking party for five decades .

Corbyn and the present Labour Party haven't done anything new they've simply followed the same rhetoric from the 1970's .

The electorate in the brexit heartlands haven't changed one iota in over fifty years .

This wasn't just a Tory Party problem at all , it was a Labour one too the difference is no fecker in the Labour Party could be @ssed to take the blinkers off or were too busy chasing Oliver and Natasha's vote in Hertfordshire under Blair .

At least Blair wrote his own lyrics and tunes and just expected us to buy his music .

This tw@t Corbyn's had the lyrics wrote for him for over 50 years and still won't record the song .

Corbyn !!!

Left wing my @ss , even the McCluskey's have turned full circle .

Hail Dennis Skinner the last true lefty still standing .