O/T Democracy

[BigLadonOS]

Suck on this then big lad.


https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ould-you-vote/


You are in denial (as ever).


Even now more voters are for remain than leave and this has been a consistent pattern since last Feb. In fact you could argue over the last couple of years there have been more remainers than leavers. Also the non voter is staying the same. It is not a one off survey and there are a variety of pollsters in that survey before you argue you can't believe polls. (Which in any case is a weak argument because reality could be even worse for leavers).


These figures would also indicate that an election may not pan out as some folks think. If 28% of voters do not think Brexit is an issue as could be indicated this may mean they will vote on other issues or not vote at all in the election.

Leavers are very complacent that they are gonna walk away with the argument at an election and that anyone backing a leave campaign are gonna do well. This does not suggest that at all.

The risk for any party putting all their eggs in one basket ie Brexit could be in for a nasty shock and could very well be decimated. And now for me this sort of makes sense why Corbyn has sat on the fence on Brexit so far. If he can catch the votes of the 28% people who dont give a toss about Brexit using arguments on other issues he could do quite well.

My advice to any party in a GE is to not concentrate on Brexit. Concentrate on other issues...there are plenty.


Interesting times owd lad and certainly no walk in the park for the leavers.

PMSL:

21 December 2018 - 4 January 2019
Sample Size
25537

The above is the only real sample size in 2019. The remaining 25 samples after that date are less than 3.000 with about 85% of those 25 having a sample size of less than 1.200.

I think the only time you should use the term SUCK is when describing what you linked too.

"Again, Must Try Harder"

[BigLadonOS]

Except that those who control parliament with a majority historically tend to do better than those with no majority and are then booted out .

Just looking at this pragmatically Biglad .

As roly has pointed out the leave vote isn't strong enough to guarantee an election victory with a majority , not by a long way .

A coalition government of Labour , SNP and Lib Dems will bury leaving the EU , never mind what Swinson says about Corbyn today someone who will revoke article 50 without so much as a referendum is capable of anything to keep us in the EU if she wakes up and realises she can't do it alone .

We are done for Biglad in my opinion .

Have faith mate have faith. Roly's Poll info is worthless (as usual).

I have faith that Boris will do it even if you dont.

BTW, these are the questions asked on the poll roly linked to.

Full question: If a new referendum was held on the UK’s membership of the European Union, how would you vote in this referendum?
All questions asked on the same Poll:

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to change the scheduling of an NHS appointment, operation or treatment?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to stockpile food or medicine?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to reduce spending on leisure activities / eating out?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to look for a different job?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to delay retirement?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to borrow money at a different time to when you originally planned?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to change where your savings are invested?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to look into moving abroad?

Ahead of the date when the UK is due to leave the EU, have you already or are you likely to delay buying or selling a home?

Thinking ahead to 5 years from now, do you think Britain’s decision to leave the EU will have had a positive or negative impact on the UK?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make your job and career opportunities better or worse for you?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make the mix of people where you live better or worse for you?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make the standard of schools where you live better or worse for you?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make the standard of care in the NHS better or worse for you?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make the price of homes better or worse for you?

Compared to remaining part of the EU, do you think leaving the EU will make the price of things you buy better or worse for you?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes the UK making no further contributions to the EU budget?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes British companies having tariff-free access to the EU market (including services)?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes European companies having tariff-free access to the UK market (including services)?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes the unrestricted right of UK citizens to live in the EU?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes a customs union with the EU so there are no checks on goods at UK/EU borders (including with Ireland)?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes the the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland remaining ‘soft’ without any passport control?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes the right of the UK to draw up its own rules and regulations, even if they clash with EU rules and regulations?

How important is it to you personally that the UK’s EU exit agreement includes no unrestricted right for EU citizens to live in the UK?
How well do you think the UK government is handling the Brexit negotiations?

If the general economic situation turned out to be a lot worse after Brexit, should the UK consider re-joining the EU?

If Britain left the EU on 31st October without a deal, do you think the impact for you personally would be positive or negative by the end of next year?

If Britain left the EU on 31st October without a deal, do you think the impact for you personally would be positive or negative by the end of this year?

How likely or unlikely do you think it is that the UK will leave the EU by the 31st October 2019?

Should the final deal/agreement reached by the government be put to a public vote?

Do you favour leaving the EU with no deal, leaving the EU with Theresa May’s Deal, leaving the EU but remaining in the Single Market/Customs Union, or remaining in the EU / revoking Article 50?

If there was another referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, how would you vote?


Here is the link: https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question.../?notes#latest

[Stovicmiller]

You must rephrase your statement Big lad.

TRAITORS to just over half the people who voted leave BUT not traitors to the nearly half of the population who vored remain and not to those who didn't vote at all- me being one.

So basically to a minority of the British electorate.

Basically about 28% didnt vote at all- the sensible ones who could see the shyte we have had coming plus

So lets be generous to you big lad and say 40% of the voting population wanted to come out that would leave 60% of the population who either wanted remain or neither.

A resounding loss I am afraid for leavers. Leavers are in the minority. You have no right to shout the odds.

Conclusion the population of this country has NOT been betrayed because the majority did NOT want to leave. its simple maths and a simple fact.

if you don't vote you have not got a say. The majority of people who voted voted to leave. You can dress it up all you want but the remain Parliament are traitors.

[rolymiller]

Nonesense stovic. A no vote is a don't like anything on the table. You are having a say you are saying come up with summat better because that is crap.

[rolymiller]

Keep in denial big lad you are only fooling yourself.

[great_fire]

We've probably never had a real democracy.

But to keep society functioning and maintain law and order there had to be a convincing illusion of one.

That illusion has now gone, big trouble ahead IMO.

[BigLadonOS]

Keep in denial big lad you are only fooling yourself.

Your the one in denial mate not me.

[BigLadonOS]

We've probably never had a real democracy.

But to keep society functioning and maintain law and order there had to be a convincing illusion of one.

That illusion has now gone, big trouble ahead IMO.

I have to say fire that in all the posts made on this thread this one is the best one on it and is probably the closest one to the truth.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Except that those who control parliament with a majority historically tend to do better than those with no majority and are then booted out .

Just looking at this pragmatically Biglad .

As roly has pointed out the leave vote isn't strong enough to guarantee an election victory with a majority , not by a long way .

A coalition government of Labour , SNP and Lib Dems will bury leaving the EU , never mind what Swinson says about Corbyn today someone who will revoke article 50 without so much as a referendum is capable of anything to keep us in the EU if she wakes up and realises she can't do it alone .

We are done for Biglad in my opinion .

Calm down animal, it’s not Armageddon 😘
I’m sure you’ve been through adversity previously, Strikes, unemployment, agency work, lower pay rates than ought to be.

When Scotland had their Independence vote Government brought out a ‘ white paper ‘ in preparation for a yes vote.
No such thing with Brexit, just a big red bus, Ministers saying they could negotiate a deal easily and a Remain team that misled and did some scaremongering along the way.

When it’s all done I will come over and catch a match with you and buy you a couple of �� pints...��

[great_fire]

I have to say fire that in all the posts made on this thread this one is the best one on it and is probably the closest one to the truth.

Cheers.

Now time for the game.