Barnsley v West Brom Match Thoughts

[Jules88]

[QUOTE=animallittle3;39396246]

If we don't sell anyone of value would that please you ?

Just shows where the bar is set doesn't it these last few years ?

I'm meant to judge a successful transfer window as not selling a top talent even though we are deep in relegation trouble ?

As time goes by our expectations become even less and holding firm becomes the new success as opposed to providing the tools to stay in the league and keep the top talent .

The ownership remind me of the Tory government con trick , don't give public services a cracker for 9 years and then invest , except that the investment still falls way short of what it was 9 years before so in effect they are still underfunding services .

Get rid of the dead wood by all means but let's keep the talent and add some smart acquisitions this window and give this young group and HC a chance .

I'll get back to you on February 1st .

The bar is survival. We disagree on how to support the team as regards attending.... there’s always going to be that.
I Certainly don’t argue with your assessment of the owners.
If they sell our assets in this window, and bring in more youth, Thereby demonstrating their disregard to the support, then I won’t renew.

[Exiletyke]

I really don't understand the argument
We have never in the last 20 years had any real ambition to do much more than just survive in this league & when there was a chance of progressing into the big boys league we sh1t ourselves & sold off the family silver & we are where we are
These new owners for all their faults have made it clear that they are not going to do anything silly [or words to that effect]
so we know what to expect & shouldn't be surprised unlike our previous owner who knew how to play to the gallery, this lot don't possess that "skill" but with the same result by & large

Very little changes with BFC & it most likely never will

[animallittle3]

I really don't understand the argument
We have never in the last 20 years had any real ambition to do much more than just survive in this league & when there was a chance of progressing into the big boys league we sh1t ourselves & sold off the family silver & we are where we are
These new owners for all their faults have made it clear that they are not going to do anything silly [or words to that effect]
so we know what to expect & shouldn't be surprised unlike our previous owner who knew how to play to the gallery, this lot don't possess that "skill" but with the same result by & large

Very little changes with BFC & it most likely never will

That's true exile to a certain extent over the last 20 years but we've gone from :

Not able to compete at the top end of this league .

Not able to compete above half way .

Finding ourselves fighting relegation every year and now ......

Happy we aren't cut adrift at the foot of the table .

Even by the changes and affects in modern day championship football it's one hell of a fall .

Not helped of course by continuously ripping up decent teams who would give you a foothold at this level .

Would a healthy Patrick Cryne have listened to Daniel Stendel last summer ?

As much as I didn't really rate Patrick Cryne I think he would have done .

Even Patrick Cryne couldn't ignore the affect Daniel Stendel had on this club and town .

[Exiletyke]

I think if you check our league positions in the Championship in the last 20 years we have finished highest 14th once
All the rest of the time we have struggled to finish better than 17th ,18th,19th, 20th, 21st year after year, so I don't think it's one hell of a fall,rather it's par for the course
Do you reckon Hecky wanted the sale of Winnall, Hourihane et al

[animallittle3]

I think if you check our league positions in the Championship in the last 20 years we have finished highest 14th once
All the rest of the time we have struggled to finish better than 17th ,18th,19th, 20th, 21st year after year, so I don't think it's one hell of a fall,rather it's par for the course
Do you reckon Hecky wanted the sale of Winnall, Hourihane et al

I was thinking more of expectation exile than actual events .

Twenty years ago we hired Dave Bassett with the remit to take us back to the PL , he fell short on the strength of a penalty kick and that was us done and dusted but the recruitment of Bassett told you where we were back then and the expectation around the club , he was a promotion specialist .

He was sacked the following season after a poor start .

Things have disintegrated alongside the changes in modern day football where we don't feel we really belong at this level anymore .

Absolutely not did Hecky want to lose Winnall and Hourihane , he probably didn't want to lose Mawson either .

I have to factor Patrick Cryne's terminal illness in to his decision making , there's no escaping that had a huge bearing on the way he looked at things back then .

It would be unfair to do so in my opinion but none the less I think during his tenure he was happy enough for the club to be at the level they were and possibly didn't have the drive or ambition he possibly should have done at times .

From a position of 7th in the championship on new years day 2017 the club should never have got itself relegated the following season , absolute debacle .

The funny thing is the present ownership bought the club under that circumstance .

What I wanted to see was a " we can do better " regime and build towards at least sustainable championship football .

I've often wondered if they spotted something whilst researching the club with an intention to purchase .

The fans will still turn up and not get too worked up no matter who we sell and when we sell , they'll even turn up when we relegate ourselves , something they spotted under the previous owner .

Three recent victories have silenced the potential uprising , three victories ffs !!!

Perhaps they are right .

[animallittle3]

[QUOTE=Jules88;39396268]

The bar is survival. We disagree on how to support the team as regards attending.... there’s always going to be that.
I Certainly don’t argue with your assessment of the owners.
If they sell our assets in this window, and bring in more youth, Thereby demonstrating their disregard to the support, then I won’t renew.

@ Jules

We ain't a million miles apart with our views .

I've watched a hell of a lot of championship football this season and to tell the truth other than Leeds , WBA and Fulham the leagues fecking shyte mate .

The first season back at this level under Hecky the league had significantly more quality to it .

Newcastle , Aston Villa , Wolves , Fulham , Brighton and Wednesday .

Town had their best team in many a decade , the results don't lie mate .

It's not the tallest of order to stay up , trust me Jules it ain't .

Even with the plan and a tweak its dooable .

We ain't even the smallest club in the league , the attendances stack up , 17k on boxing day despite the debacle of this season , fecking Brentford couldn't get near that if they were 20 points clear at the top of the league .

Fecking frustrates me to death .

Run by morons who simply don't get it .

[Jules88]

This Championship is half the standard we played in when we were last relegated.
That’s my hope, that we are heading towards being one of the better of the Sh!ttest 8 teams in the League.... because any one of the lower 8 can fall.
West Brom were given a lesson twice, only just did we fail to get two wins.
I’m hopeful,
but not giddy.

[pass_and_move]

Disagree lads. This division has never been as tough in my opinion. 43 points would've kept us up last time we were relegated from the championship. Cardiff city went up with 90 points last time we were in this division and they were a poor side in terms of their quality. They were physical, good at set pieces and organised, nothing more. Wolves were champions and were a very good outfit to be fair.

We were shyte team playing defensive long ball style and we nearly stayed up. Mcburnie and Harvey Barnes played a huge part in keeping us in touch otherwise we wouldn't have got 30 points without their contribution. 7 out of the 24 teams couldn't get to 50 points. Says it all, shyte standard and they were all poor teams that were down there that season.

This season WBA and Leeds are the superior sides. Brentford are very good too. However, out of the rest of the teams everyone has more quality and strength than in previous seasons and the standard rising. We haven't had an easy game this season, we've had to scrap for every single point. We are a better team this season than in 17/18 in my opinion. We play good football, work our nuts off, have more depth to the squad yet have been in the bottom 3 all season.


It's a very unforgiving division is the championship. Us and Wigan are currently bottom but more than capable of climbing up the table, Luton are falling like a stone. Derby are in the shyte and are poor but the Rooney factor will probably get them out of lumber (hope not though the cheating barstewards). Boro may just have enough, Stoke obviously have big problems but they have a very good manager in charge, dont rule out Huddersfield. Charlton may get involved.


We simply cant afford to lose any of our influential players. Simple as. Keep what we've got and add to it otherwise forget staying up.

[SBRed48]

It is true Ziles that Barnsley have always sold their best talent.

The key differences to previous policies are--

1 A bar on buying anyone beyond their early twenties

2 A refusal to buy anyone with significant Championship experience the youngsters can learn from

3 A refusal to bring in any loan players

[Jules88]

That’s exactly what I mean Pass. 8 good teams...the rest are in danger