Straw Poll

[Manofpride]

Back to the drawing board then!

[KentRam]

How about any club that have infected owners, that have spread the damn virus lose points for fing up the football for the rest of us - not naming any trees, sorry typo teams....

[ramAnag]

How about any club that have infected owners, that have spread the damn virus lose points for fing up the football for the rest of us - not naming any trees, sorry typo teams....

Keep up KentRam...done that...post #13 para’ 4.

[KentRam]

Obviously we agree on this - however your not as funny

[swaledale]

Perhaps, you need to argue with UEFA and the Belgium coursts as well Swale. If only they had been privvy to your book of absolute FACTS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

Wiki, fake news as well

Wikipedia? the font of all thats factual and true!

You see this is where you come a cropper, not being able to weed the actual facts from an interpretation of the facts.

Lets face it UEFA and the Belgium courts aren't exactly unbiased are they? From reading various sources the main culprits in this case were UEFA for allowing the game to be played in an unsafe stadium and the lack of control over ticket sales.

Now I have personally witnessed an incident with an English club playing in Rome in recent times, we were searched on the way into the ground and even had coins confiscated. yet once in the Italian fans were throwing coins (i made about 40 euro that day!) flares water bottles, lighters and sundry missiles over the 8ft glass dividing wall and across a 12 ft no mans land with no action from the thugs (sorry leather jacketed Italian police in the ground) When the English clubs fans threw the missiles back (I accept they shouldn't have but the provocation was there and unchecked by the authorities) around 200 of these thugs posing as policemen, rushed from an entrance into the section and began beating any fan indiscriminately around the head with batons! Even those that were in no way involved in throwing the missiles back.

I had assessed the situation and stood at the back and avoided the mele, but at half time when I tried to go to the toilet, the thugs posing as policemen were in the corridors giving any fan they wanted to a bashing or hauling them off for no reason. I retreated, but the sheer brutality which was handed out indiscriminately on that occasion was shocking and totally unjustified.

So yes I know there are thuggish elements amongst many teams fans, but no I do not accept that in every occasion a teams fans are completely at fault for what happens at these games.

[ramAnag]

Obviously we agree on this - however your not as funny

‘Funny’? You think you’re ‘funny’...really?
I’ll let others judge...I do however...seem much, much better at apostrophes.

[ramAnag]

Obviously we agree on this - however your not as funny

‘Funny’? You think you’re ‘funny’...really?
I’ll let others judge...I do however...seem much, much better at apostrophes.

[swaledale]

‘Funny’? You think you’re ‘funny’...really?
I’ll let others judge...I do however...seem much, much better at apostrophes.

I don't think there is anything to judge RA, you better at english, better at grammar, much funnier and make more senses as well!

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't think there is anything to judge RA, you better at english, better at grammar, much funnier and make more senses as well!

And that ladies and gentlemen, self incriminates another one he's better than, as well.

[Trickytreesreds]

Wikipedia? the font of all thats factual and true!

You see this is where you come a cropper, not being able to weed the actual facts from an interpretation of the facts.

Lets face it UEFA and the Belgium courts aren't exactly unbiased are they? From reading various sources the main culprits in this case were UEFA for allowing the game to be played in an unsafe stadium and the lack of control over ticket sales.

Now I have personally witnessed an incident with an English club playing in Rome in recent times, we were searched on the way into the ground and even had coins confiscated. yet once in the Italian fans were throwing coins (i made about 40 euro that day!) flares water bottles, lighters and sundry missiles over the 8ft glass dividing wall and across a 12 ft no mans land with no action from the thugs (sorry leather jacketed Italian police in the ground) When the English clubs fans threw the missiles back (I accept they shouldn't have but the provocation was there and unchecked by the authorities) around 200 of these thugs posing as policemen, rushed from an entrance into the section and began beating any fan indiscriminately around the head with batons! Even those that were in no way involved in throwing the missiles back.

I had assessed the situation and stood at the back and avoided the mele, but at half time when I tried to go to the toilet, the thugs posing as policemen were in the corridors giving any fan they wanted to a bashing or hauling them off for no reason. I retreated, but the sheer brutality which was handed out indiscriminately on that occasion was shocking and totally unjustified.

So yes I know there are thuggish elements amongst many teams fans, but no I do not accept that in every occasion a teams fans are completely at fault for what happens at these games.

Is this perhaps an "own goal" from the great sage of the church of the EUSSR?

Belgium’s constitution is influenced by earlier constitutions of the French and the Netherlands; the legal system is based on the Napoleonic code. It became independent of the Netherlands in 1830 and has a limited constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government. A federal system provides for the autonomy of French, Dutch, and German speaking communities, who reside within the Walloon, Flemish and Brussels regions. Parliamentary democracy generally results in a coalition government. Belgium is one of the founding fathers of the European Union and has a civil law system.

What an asshole