O/T:- Mr George Floyd RIP

[Disturbed]

Thanks for clarifying. Whether those people are charged for what they did to the statue I guess we'll see in the coming week/s. But the statue itself is a good example of the inherent racism in our society that we need to change. And to be fair a lot of the vandalism in the US has been targeted at corporations with guilty histories too.

I have said in an earlier post that this should have been removed, but when joe public take it into their hands, then this will cause unrest, mob rule and retaliation. Then everyone will be called racist, or far left/far right, fascist etc etc and divide the nation more. Have a protest, but don't cause destruction or acts of violence and everyone can move on and be happy.
Whilst typing this I have just seen police officers in London being hit with missiles and a policeman is covered in blood. This takes away what the protest is all about and diminishes the cause they are highlighting and could/will lead to revenge attacks and we will be back at square one again

[Disturbed]

I think saying "let's just raze Bristol to the ground" is very dramatic and a bit silly. Think of it this way, Jimmy Savile raised millions for charity but his statue was quite rightly removed, do you agree?

Have you read my earlier posts? I have said more than once that this statue should have been removed, but to applaud destruction is wrong and that was my point. So you might think it is silly, but why is it when others think destroying property (no matter what it is) is ok?

[i961pie]

I have said in an earlier post that this should have been removed, but when joe public take it into their hands, then this will cause unrest, mob rule and retaliation. Then everyone will be called racist, or far left/far right, fascist etc etc and divide the nation more. Have a protest, but don't cause destruction or acts of violence and everyone can move on and be happy.
Whilst typing this I have just seen police officers in London being hit with missiles and a policeman is covered in blood. This takes away what the protest is all about and diminishes the cause they are highlighting and could/will lead to revenge attacks and we will be back at square one again

That is often the problem, demonstrations which start off peacefully are often destroyed by anarchists and yobs spoiling for a fight which unfortunately detracts from the cause the people are demonstrating about.

[Elite_Pie]

Have you read my earlier posts? I have said more than once that this statue should have been removed, but to applaud destruction is wrong and that was my point. So you might think it is silly, but why is it when others think destroying property (no matter what it is) is ok?

If you read my post, I said your comment about "let's just raze Bristol to the ground" was silly, because I'm sure nobody would ever suggest that.

[BigFatPie]

You mean the claims where you don’t claim you are talking about posters then say “not necessarily on here” as you know they are aimed at posters on here. You just make your mud slinging sufficiently widespread so you can claim it isn’t specific when pulled up on.

You’re in good company with Cummings, I think you are an awful lot like him.

Feel free to keep posting my name to try and score points. Like all the other threads you’ve poisoned on here, I will have no further part so don’t bother to ask me to trawl all the threads for evidence of your poisoning of them.

Shame, this was a decent discussion until you came along.

‘This discussion’ included dam boy bringing up white people getting killed by the police, it was hardly Treatise on Tolerance before any intervention by me.

You’ve clearly got some personal beef, to the extent that you appear to be having made up arguments in your head, because your posts here bear no relation to reality.

[BigFatPie]

That is often the problem, demonstrations which start off peacefully are often destroyed by anarchists and yobs spoiling for a fight which unfortunately detracts from the cause the people are demonstrating about.

So no one can demonstrate about anything?

[Old_pie]

The statue really should have been quietly taken down years ago.

When does one stop? How much of the British past should be erased from history? Liverpool, Bristol, London, the cotton mills of Lancashire?

I don't see how erasing history helps at all. Colston had been doing good things. His statue was there for the good things he did. Are we near to saying that because Floyd had done some bad things he deserved to be mistreated in the same way as the statue (and all its surrounding area too?) should be mistreated? Dangerous ground and dangerous to try and impose our morals on a different era.

Better that the statue had a better explanation and a reason for the City of Bristol to want it to be shown else we'll end up burning all the books too. Now when was it that happened?

[BigFatPie]

When does one stop? How much of the British past should be erased from history? Liverpool, Bristol, London, the cotton mills of Lancashire?

I don't see how erasing history helps at all. Colston had been doing good things. His statue was there for the good things he did. Are we near to saying that because Floyd had done some bad things he deserved to be mistreated in the same way as the statue (and all its surrounding area too?) should be mistreated? Dangerous ground and dangerous to try and impose our morals on a different era.

Better that the statue had a better explanation and a reason for the City of Bristol to want it to be shown else we'll end up burning all the books too. Now when was it that happened?

I don’t know which comparison is wilder, the one of George Floyd and and the statue of Edward Colston, or the one of chucking a statue of a much hated slaver in the river and....the Nazis burning books.

[i961pie]

So no one can demonstrate about anything?

And where did I say that? You see things that aren't there, very strange.

[maddogslater]

Personally I think the best place for the statue would have been in a museum in Bristol showing its relevance to the past. Churchill is even harder, clearly a hero of the country but also guilty of summer despicable acts.

Plenty of examples of riots and protest going back hundreds of years, usually ending with the king caving in then when it calms down the ring leaders heads roll.