O/T Well it looks like White Lives don't matter.

[howdydoo]

You couldn't actually be more wrong about myself but It doesn't bother me what you think in all honesty , I'm all for people pulling themselves up by their boot straps but I also recognise that social justice has an equal part to play in that .

I wasn't actually trying to trash anyone's view just simply offering a different slant on it but if you want to double down on your opinion as a consequence of reading my thoughts then so be it .

So I say again where are the statues to the fighters for social justice ?

You lost me, the day you posted that you have defended the INDEFENSIBLE in the line of your work as a shop steward.

I ‘d have a lot of sympathy for your views but lets face it, you struggle, where to draw the line in the sand.

[animallittle3]

I'm sick to death of animal, WanChai, roly, mike and the rest of the left wing loonies. On another thread animal whinged about the Peterloo Massacre. It was bad, recognised as bad but let's compare it to instances where the great working class mob have ruled the roost. Forget the Terror during the French Revolution but look, say, at the Vendee in 1793. 50,000 peasants butchered by the revolutionary army AFTER the surrender. As people who know me know, my wife is from Dar es Salaam. She loves England, loves the English, thinks our police are the best in the world. We are setting up a website called Police R 4 Us. These outrageous attacks on the police under the guise of BLM are completely unacceptable. If some guy with a knife was crawling through roly's window I doubt he'd phone BLM or Rebecca Tom Daley. He'd be on to the Old Bill and sadly disappointed when he was told all available officers are out policing BLM riots.
By the way, my wife's motto is this: "If you don't like the menu you don't have to eat in the restaurant."

Is it so wrong to question what the perceived version of history is ? .

I'm not slating anyone's view all I'm doing as I've said is to look at it from another angle .

The Rotherham and Barnsley pals volunteered for the horrors of WW1 to protect royalty in part , it's not something that written about very often for instance .

[animallittle3]

You lost me, the day you posted that you have defended the INDEFENSIBLE in the line of your work as a shop steward.

I ‘d have a lot of sympathy for your views but lets face it, you struggle, where to draw the line in the sand.

There isn't a line in the sand and everyone has a right to be defended even Ian Huntley .

[wendun]

Well I live in King County, WA which was originally named after a US Vice President and slave trader W.R. King but was 'renamed' after Martin Luther King in 1986 and carries his image on all official signage etc. Plenty of statues around.

Sometimes the words flow, the cliches flow, the meaninglessness flows. Animal's lament for "the fighters for social justice" astounds even me with its complacent idiocy. Whose "social"? Whose "justice"? I think what he means is that if you are white and your arse isn't hanging out of your trousers you somehow owe a debt to Kunta Kinte. Or perhaps he means if you have done better than animal and moved out of a pigeon loft you should be put on a tumbril and guillotined. I am 68 years old and having spent 52 of those years arguing politics with hypocrites - my brother in law thinks my stance on Aboriginal rights in Australia is appalling but flies there, eats in s****y restaurants and goes to the Sidney Opera House and when I ask him which bit of Abo culture they represent just says I'm a lost cause - I have decided the best response it to say "F*ck 'em."

[Stovicmiller]

He should have no rights. Should have been hung drawn and quarted.

[Stovicmiller]

Is it so wrong to question what the perceived version of history is ? .

I'm not slating anyone's view all I'm doing as I've said is to look at it from another angle .

The Rotherham and Barnsley pals volunteered for the horrors of WW1 to protect royalty in part , it's not something that written about very often for instance .

I should imagine those lads fought for each other first and foremost. Then Britain, the King would have been the last thing on their minds.

[howdydoo]

There isn't a line in the sand and everyone has a right to be defended even Ian Huntley .

Thanks for the the clarification. The paths we choose eh?

Not for me thanks.

[animallittle3]

He should have no rights. Should have been hung drawn and quarted.

He should have swung from a rope I'll give you that but only after a trial and someone defending him .

It's what civilised societies do although the anger surrounding such a case as his is understandable .

[animallittle3]

I should imagine those lads fought for each other first and foremost. Then Britain, the King would have been the last thing on their minds.

That's exactly right , they never questioned why they were there I reckon which forms much of my point on this subject .

I'll say it again , they never questioned it , why was that ?

[KerrAvon]

That's exactly right , they never questioned why they were there I reckon which forms much of my point on this subject .

I'll say it again , they never questioned it , why was that ?

Perhaps they fought through belief in their country, the value they saw in it and what it had given them?

Of course it's easy to scoff at that sort of thing now. It's terribly unfashionable in a time where staying on trend means ignoring our long history of liberal democracy (albeit blemished like every human history) and wringing our hands at past failings instead.