O/T Even the Tory Party are Blaming Johnson!

[Andy_Faber]

Yes Tricky I understand that ,but it's still trying to glorify something irrelevant to today . Was slightly different when we had some standing in the world . Mind you people like Rees-mogg still live in that utopian world that thinks we are still relevant in the world . Also includes an awful lot of right thinking people

The spat wasn't about a load of past it old racists yearning to 'stick it up 'em' for yet another year, it was about them not accepting the BBC telling them what was good for them (again). The actual song, and the 'last night' as a whole, is a bit of a joke, and will die off naturally as those who crave for it die off, but the whole thing reeked of exactly the bad behaviours the new DG appears to want to curb - in summary the Corporation failing to reflect the sentiment of the (mostly silent) majority and instead only peering inside their 'bubble'

Edit, it appears (using my own form of words) I agree with TTR again, I wrote this response before seeing his OP

[Andy_Faber]

Sixty years ago we lived in a world where dehumanising signs saying such things as ‘No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish’ were relatively common.
35-40 years ago ‘people’ (I use the word loosely) were throwing abuse - and bananas - at black footballers.
Likewise Muslims, homo***uals, AIDS sufferers, transgender people are amongst those who have, more recently, been victimised for no good reason.

TV has, imo, gone a long way to addressing such issues. It has, imo, done far more good than harm, and I’d suggest those who are vocalising things on social media are probably far more worthy of your concern than TV itself.

Agree with all of that, APART FROM it has now gone too far and as I've said before it is starting to p*** off 'normal' people. Yes I AM concerned, because what's made all these people (on social media and in real life) less tolerant than they were?

[Andy_Faber]

On impartiality, there is a discussion to be had

I can't believe it, at last something we agree on, and yes it swings both ways on occasion. Twerp as I thought he was, Corbyn was treated unfairly overall (by most of the media). I think Koenessberg was just too hyped up with her own importance (or she was making a pitch for the new Bond villain) but I sensed her joy was simply with the failings of those in charge and it mattered not who they were

I have however heard encouraging words directly out of the new DG's mouth, AND it's been repeated on BBC News (specifically Amol Rajan who tends to say it like it is) so we'll have to see how it goes

[Trickytreesreds]

The question of BBC funding is interesting, again there is room for discussion, though your hyperbole about "hounding OAP's" is bizarre, presumably you are happy for them to avoid paying any tax, council tax, for food, vehicle excise duty and other things most people have to pay for?

As ever you post is riddled with bias and inaccuracies!!

Oh here we go.
Lets simplyfy this for Lord Swale.

Life is about choices. Good/bad/ right / wrong/ yes/ no.
With newspapers/ Sky/ Netflix etc, you get the choice. Don't want it, then don't pay for it.
The BBC has had it written as a tax for far too long. MOST folks don't care anymore, especially the young. So it's back to choices. You love it, you subsidise it and watch it. I choose not to. I have had to sacrifice my Sky to go license free. When I cancelled Sky were fuming. They even offered me more packs to try and negate the cost of the license. But I think my morals go beyond your comply stance.
So don't patronise me, with your Liberal snobbery. I understand fully what I know and see.

As for the pensioners, are you on drugs? They had the free license from the age of 75, as tv for the main is their only friend. The government subsidised it and told the BBC 3 years ago they would stop. They gave them fair warning and the BBC agreed on the pretext that they could increase the license fee.
In that time, they have done **** all, but spend/spend/spend then welched on that promise.

Exactly how do pensioners avoid paying tax/council tax/food/vehicle duty? They pay their way like everyone else, on income based.
You don't half talk some holier than thou bollox swale.

If it's worth saving, then let them turn to subscription and see how it fairs. I'll have a grand with you, it doesn't get
a fraction of what it rakes in now.

[Trickytreesreds]

Lol, ‘outdated, jingoistic, nationalistic rubbish’...spot on mista. I’ve found it embarrassing for over half a century now.

Who are these ‘select few’, Tricky...and when was the last time anyone ‘screamed’ any of those things at you?
Personally I haven’t watched any ‘soaps’ for years but I remember the uproar from things like the first black characters in Albert Square and Coronation Street, the first gay kiss and Mark Fowler (I think) contracting AIDS.
Soaps didn’t used to deal with difficult issues...now they do...including things like cancer, domestic abuse and mental health issues. To that extent - and only to that extent - they’re like a latter day Dickens, bringing mass attention to issues that society would rather see swept under the proverbial carpet.
Is that such a bad thing?
There are now more disabled presenters - I find it strange that matters relating to disability seem to have to have a disabled presenter, don’t understand that bit - but otherwise that too is surely a good thing.

For your information the BBC has a target of 7% BAME (currently employs 9%)( well above the country @5%).
It has a target of 5% for disabled, yet falls short at 3%. The country has a population of 18% classed as disabled.
So again you trip up with your analogy.

[Trickytreesreds]

Swales there absolutely nothing new in Trickies story The Tories hate the BBC as far back as Thatcher . They can't stand the fact that they can't manipulate them like other media outlets and newspapers Its always been there policy ,but it's increasingly more so with this government now . They definitely will not move to a subscription model . You will never please people like Tricky because he chooses use black people when it suits him . The BBC are in a no win situation with people like him .If they employ black they are woke and give in to them .If they don't employ them they are prejudiced against them

There is a difference between not being manipulated and being openly biased against someone. But you love your socialism MR so the BBC is your church.

[ramAnag]

Oh here we go.
Lets simplyfy this for Lord Swale.

Life is about choices. Good/bad/ right / wrong/ yes/ no.
With newspapers/ Sky/ Netflix etc, you get the choice. Don't want it, then don't pay for it.
The BBC has had written as a tax for far to long. MOST folks don't care anymore, especially the young. So it's back to choices. You love, you subsidise it and watch it. I choose not to. I have had to sacrifice my Sky to go license free. When I cancelled Sky were fuming. They even offered me more packs to try and negate the cost of the license. But I think my morals go beyond your comply stance.
So don't patronise me, with your Liberal snobbery. I understand fully what I know and see.

As for the pensioners, are you on drugs? They had the free license from the age of 75, as tv for the main is their only friend. The government subsidised it and told the BBC 3 years ago they would stop. They gave them fair warning and the BBC agreed on the pretext that they could increse the license fee.
In that time, they have done **** all, but spend/spend/spend then welched on that promise.

Exactly how do pensioners avoid paying tax/council tax/food/vehicle duty? They pay their way like everyone else, on income based.
You don't half talk some holier than thou bollox swale.

If it's worth saving, then let them turn to subscription and see how it fairs. I'll have a grand with you, it doesn't get
a fraction of what it rakes in now.

Hmmm...perhaps you misunderstood. I think Swale was querying why the over 75’s should be exempt from paying for a TV licence when they’re not exempt from the other things he mentioned.

As you are probably aware those over 75’s in need will still be entitled to a free licence and as for the TV being ‘for the main their only friend’ I’m not sure I’ve ever heard such patronising rubbish. At what precise age do you imagine older people, who I can’t help but think you have another of your ‘issues’ with, just give up and surrender themselves to ‘the box’?

It’s pretty much the same argument as the winter fuel allowance. Unpopular to stop but wholly unjustifiable and probably another argument in favour of means testing.

[Andy_Faber]

For your information the BBC has a target of 7% BAME (currently employs 9%)( well above the country @5%).
It has a target of 5% for disabled, yet falls short at 3%. The country has a population of 18% classed as disabled.
So again you trip up with your analogy.

Regretably TTR is broadly correct as the latest CDN infographic confirms

[Trickytreesreds]

Hmmm...perhaps you misunderstood. I think Swale was querying why the over 75’s should be exempt from paying for a TV licence when they’re not exempt from the other things he mentioned.

As you are probably aware those over 75’s in need will still be entitled to a free licence and as for the TV being ‘for the main their only friend’ I’m not sure I’ve ever heard such patronising rubbish. At what precise age do you imagine older people, who I can’t help but think you have another of your ‘issues’ with, just give up and surrender themselves to ‘the box’?

It’s pretty much the same argument as the winter fuel allowance. Unpopular to stop but wholly unjustifiable and probably another argument in favour of means testing.

OK no mention of the BBC welching on the deal to scrap the freebie?
It was given to them, in the same way as the bus pass. Television is more than the BBC.
At the end of your working life, when leaving the house is more difficult, the pensioner will watch more tv than anyone.
The license is to WATCH ANY LIVE BROADCAST! Yet the BBC take the frigging lot. In that situation, it is your choice removed. If I was over 75 I'd be going ballistic.
Can I just point out to you, that the out going "Lord " Hall, has his license paid for by the state!

Much as you don't like it, the BBC is in its death roll. The population has had enough.
The product it produces is dire, biased and patronising. Been going down hill for a long time. Long gone are the famous shows, now full of repeats, dancing bollox, cooking shows.
900 000 people have cancelled their license in the last year and that is just what they know off, by it being declared.
Figures from an Ofcom report from last August suggested the number of UK households signed up to the biggest streaming platforms – Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV and Disney Life – stand at 13.3 million, or 47% of all households.
People are moving away from terrestial tv and the BBC has speeded up its own extinction.
The new guy knows this and is at the moment fire fighting, trying to save it.

On line and radio shows are talking about it everywhere. The momentum to undo it is huge, but the BBC won't publicly admit this.
listen-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOfy...nnel=talkRADIO

[swaledale]

The spat wasn't about a load of past it old racists yearning to 'stick it up 'em' for yet another year, it was about them not accepting the BBC telling them what was good for them (again). The actual song, and the 'last night' as a whole, is a bit of a joke, and will die off naturally as those who crave for it die off, but the whole thing reeked of exactly the bad behaviours the new DG appears to want to curb - in summary the Corporation failing to reflect the sentiment of the (mostly silent) majority and instead only peering inside their 'bubble'

Edit, it appears (using my own form of words) I agree with TTR again, I wrote this response before seeing his OP

It was an artificial spat manufactured by right wing media and right wing "commentators" who use any spurious reason to indulge in BBC bashing! And why do they do that? Because they don't like having a media organisation that on the whole presents an unbiased factual output of news.

Of course if you choose to believe such people, then fair enough, I mean your entitled to get all worked up about nothing and a false nothing at that, (I realise you have swallowed the fake story that it was cultural PC that led the BBC to drop te lyrics, but in actual FACT that had nothing to do with it!) but not only does it make you look rather foolish and lacking the capability to see through such tricks, but I'd caution to be careful what you wish for - one doesn't have to look far to see what happens when the State and a right wing cabal decides they don't like the independent media!

But then maybe thats what you'd like, a state media that aligns totally with your view of the world!

What with Thicky singing the praises of the UK turning into Singapore and you having a turn over "too much" diversity I just hope it does not have a negative effect on your health.