Quote Originally Posted by oldcolner View Post
This may bring it home to the sceptics
You get yourself confused OC, that some people die from this disease is self-evident, that some people get ill is self-evident, there are also some who will suffer long term effects. As far as I'm aware lockdown sceptics do not dispute this, they dispute the claims that lockdowns can prevent these deaths and illnesses, we've had four months of lockdowns, a couple of months of tier restrictions, 6 months of mask wearing all to no obvious effect. And all that without even mentioning the catastrophic effects of lockdowns on routine medical care, mental health, people's jobs businesses and the general economy. It's best summed up by pointing out that the cure is far more deadly than the disease.

Incidentally, whilst searching for evidence of the 2nd Wave I found this,

Excess deaths in England compared to five year average.

Peaked 17th April, 11,370 excess deaths. Highest weekly figure so far this autumn, 20th November, 1,985 excess deaths. Hardly can be called a 2nd Wave, but it is a bit of a ripple, I'll grant you that.