Quote Originally Posted by grantzer View Post
Utter twaddle..

You have come up with a hypothesis,and provided some "evidence", which in your opinion suggests your hypothesis is correct.

Your evidence is your best guess,which isn't actually evidence, so all you really have is a hypothesis.

As a counter to your hypothesis, I will suggest one of my own. People are dying of covid. Some of those people also had other health conditions. Some died with covid who probably would have died soon anyway,seeing as they are generally elderly,with existing health issues.

As an example, a 95 year old with cancer dies of covid before the cancer can kill him. He probably would have died from cancer in six months, and is therefore in the expected deaths category.

He counts as a covid death,because covid ended his life. The number of people dying of cancer has just gone down.

Repeat that for a year,and for all illnesses.

Now evidence is tricky. But if you assume that doctors lie,to promote a hypothesis from deeranged,then the theory from deeranged looks a bit less waffle. But only a little less.

My hypothesis also looks sketchy,because I cannot suggest a leap of faith is in any way evidence supporting it. I can only go with the fact that I can see no reason for doctors to lie about cause of death.
So prove it, show me the literature, show me the published data. I've reviewed a publicly available report and proposed a hypothesis based on that report, you've rejected it with the word 'twaddle' and by saying 'people are dying'. I know people are dying but I'm saying not as many as we're being told are dying. Do you know the difference between subjective evidence and objective evidence? My hypothesis is based on objective evidence, your rejection of it is purely subjective.

I'll counter your argument that a 95 year old with cancer might die of Covid before the cancer kills them by proposing another 95 year old with cancer might die of that cancer having tested positive for Covid ten days earlier but having shown no symptoms of Covid. they are then a Covid death statistic - would that be right? I have a real world experience of just that happening however my uncle was 'only' 87.

Doctors are not lying about cause of death, I did initially think that might be going on as it was suggested in the media but the report shows what's really happening. The Covid death statistics being reported are not in fact 'death caused by Covid' they are deaths reported with Covid mentioned on the death certificate. By that measure a death certificate might well say 'Cause of death - bowel cancer, the deceased tested postive for Covid-19 ten days previously but displayed no signs of respiratory distress' but it's mentioned on the death certificate and the doctor would be negligent not to mention the positive test. However Covid will not have caused that particular death.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want you to prove that I am.