Every day the vaccine rolls out

[Chick A Saw]

Think the problem here is a lot of people would agree with goverment that those at most danger of death should be treated first and work it's way down to those least in danger of dying.You will never get everyone to agree though chick's wife works in a school so he thinks teachers should be done before older people guessing he also wants everyone else who works in the schools done also like dinner ladies cleaners janitors matinence people trainee teachers assistants etc.As they can all come into contact with these children who are coming into contact with lots of other children but what about those childrens parents and others who stay in same households as these children they must have at least same chance if not more of being infected by the child than a teacher or any of others working in the school so should all them jump the queue as well?Other people who have members of there family working as bus drivers taxi driver gaurds on trains shop assistants in factorys in offices with others etc etc will probably think their family should jump queue and be done first but everyone can't be done first.I will slag wee nic if I think she is doing wrong but think she is doing this the best way she can.

I know you dont like reading my posts, bit i implore you to read this and tell me what part of the following do you think says its only teachers i want ahead of myself?

So to be clear, my personal opinion is that ALL public facing and high density workplace employees who are ALL facing similar risk levels, should ALL be prioritized ahead of employees who are working from home or at very little risk. And for reasons i have put forward recently, i dont think that is such a hard thing to achieve.

I agree with the government as well, but if it can be done, it should be done.

[TerryTheTerror]

I know you dont like reading my posts, bit i implore you to read this and tell me what part of the following do you think says its only teachers i want ahead of myself?

So to be clear, my personal opinion is that ALL public facing and high density workplace employees who are ALL facing similar risk levels, should ALL be prioritized ahead of employees who are working from home or at very little risk. And for reasons i have put forward recently, i dont think that is such a hard thing to achieve.

I agree with the government as well, but if it can be done, it should be done.

You talk about risk but ignore the biggest risk factor of them all with regard to this virus, AGE.

[Chick A Saw]

You talk about risk but ignore the biggest risk factor of them all with regard to this virus, AGE.

I have not ignored age in the slightest, and the age groups that are most at risk of death have already been covered by current Cohorts, and this should be completed.

Now we are heading towards the new Cohorts where deaths are less likely, to me the people who are at most risk of catching this and suffering from severe symptoms are who we should be targeting, and those who are in full time, public facing and high density working environments and should be considered for a bit of que jumping, be that preventing waste, or re-arranging appointments.

When Cohort 6 is complete, it is possible we should have vaccinated 2.5m people, and i dont think the numbers of the groups of employees i am talking about will be that big, especially when some might have already been caught by waste reduction.

[TerryTheTerror]

That's fair. Don't you consider the opinion of JCVI that trying to do what you suggest will have a seriously detrimental effect on the speed of the rollout of the vaccination program putting more folk at risk?

[Chick A Saw]

That's fair. Don't you consider the opinion of JCVI that trying to do what you suggest will have a seriously detrimental effect on the speed of the rollout of the vaccination program putting more folk at risk?

Of course i consider what the JCVI have said, but the target audience can be identified quite easily through contacting Councils, company management/HR departments, professional accreditation organizations, etc, etc...

It is a big undertaking, but how much of a detrimental effect would there be on the wider effort, especially if a head start is made with waste control.

[GUNBOAT]

Getting seek fed up of this thread being turned into a lets throw the vaccine list out the window and ruin everything with which worker is more at risk than another.
Lets go back to the first lockdown i received a letter telling me i had to shield and at the time got nothing from either government apart from advice that i was in severe danger of dying if i contracted the virus.
My betters in the teaching profession who had to shield were given FULL pay to follow government advice whereas i got F ALL,the boys that work for me after 6 weeks told me they needed money as they also had received the square root of F ALL either and i decided to go back to work.
At that point i had cancelled direct debits for my mortgage,pension,council tax and other insurance policies just to survive financially.
I returned to work when cases were still very high out of necessity because me and the boys were financially on our knees and really had no other option's.
Meanwhile teachers on the shielding list the same as me were still on full pay and being protected by their unions and both governments,so vaccinate those on the shielding list early but let the others wait their FN turn.

Edit to add,me and the boys who did go back to work in the public domain pre vaccine have at least helped pay the wages of those in public service who were sitting at home doing F ALL bar shield from the virus,FACT.

[Chick A Saw]

Meanwhile teachers on the shielding list the same as me were still on full pay and being protected by their unions and both governments,so vaccinate those on the shielding list early but let the others wait their FN turn.

I am not trying to detract from what you are saying as i know many people who have been in the situation you find yourself in, some who have made drastic decisions to ensure money flows in, and know of a few who have never worked since lock down 1 began.

But teachers and support staff were still working as children were still being educated, and i make no apology for making the case for my wife to be vaccinated ahead of myself!

I am not advocating that a full stop is put on the vaccination programme while ALL workers at higher risk are dealt with, i just think its easy enough to make a re-arrangement to accommodate All the workers we have both mentioned.

It should be remembered that Cohort 6 has quite rightly been greatly expanded in Scotland to include people who were missed by the JCVI, and maybe doubled, which has not caused any targets to fall back, and maybe moved the final offer date forward!

[AraBrian]

I know you dont like reading my posts, bit i implore you to read this and tell me what part of the following do you think says its only teachers i want ahead of myself?

So to be clear, my personal opinion is that ALL public facing and high density workplace employees who are ALL facing similar risk levels, should ALL be prioritized ahead of employees who are working from home or at very little risk. And for reasons i have put forward recently, i dont think that is such a hard thing to achieve.

I agree with the government as well, but if it can be done, it should be done.

I can see where you are coming from I would not mind people who are more at risk than me receiving the vaccine before me as I am just 60 in fine health reasonably fit and on furlough I think chance of me catching it or dying from it are very small.The problem is who should get my place a teacher a bus driver a cleaner a policeman a parent with children at home etc etc.I think the only way they could get it exactly right is to take each person check out what makes them think they should be next then give every person in country a place that would be fairest way but who would decide if a bus driver or a police man comes first or a school cleaner or a parent with three or more school age children?