THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[Elite_Pie]

Like I said it will be very interesting to see who replies and who ignores it and thinks we should get back on topic.

Hmmmm. Seeing as the question was basically "does anyone think that laddo has improved this board?" replies might be in short supply!

It seems we're not even going to get an update from mission control.

If the owners are listening (which I very much doubt), Ardley out from me.

[Borg elite]

In my 50 years following Notts I can count on one hand the managers I'd have back, Jimmy and Neil Warnock obviously, Howard wilkinson and 'shock horror' sam allardyce. All the others, in half a century, have been half decent,average or crap, in my opinion. Neil Ardleys no different from most of them. If crowds were allowed back and there was discontent do you think that would sway the owners decision ?

[Jampie]

In from me, for now.

Before we seriously consider replacing him, I'd want:

1. To have a decent comparison done between him and his competition. As in, hard numbers, not internet forum guys' opinions. People throw things around like the budget and players he's got, but what are the actual numbers? If he really is better funded than the 2-3 teams outperforming us in this league, then that's a big deal. If he's not, then changing the manager might have no benefit and might even hurt.
2. To have it decided who his replacement is, and be quite sure that replacement would do a better job. Otherwise in all seriousness what's the point in changing managers? We made the mistake twice in our relegation season where we fired the manager with NO replacement lined up. That's kind of crazy, and I can't see the new owners behaving like that at all. So far all of their decisions seem to have been careful, sensible, and measured.
3. A plan to deal with the transition. Notts have suffered from bad manager transitions quite a lot over the last decade.

If he gets us promoted this year I would absolutely sign a one year contract with him to consolidate in L2. If he doesn't, as I said a few months ago, I'd want to understand why not. If he was out-managed then that's an issue. If the teams that beat us were just better teams, then replacing him makes no sense.

We're not doing quite as well as I thought we would be by this stage of the season season. We're a few wins off the pace and that's a little disappointing.

However, I think given the squad depth we've got and the clear strategy from pre-season onward of having at least two complete teams to field... combined with the number of new signings, I expect our second half of the season to be a better overall performance than what we've seen so far.

Meanwhile, other teams might cop a bunch of injuries and choke from the relentless workload. That said, we're the ones with the higher workload for the foreseeable, not to mention the injury problems.

For the record today I'm posting as Thomas the Tank Engine.

[americanpie]

Well done Thomas the Tank Engine

A balanced, and reasoned outlook. And one with which I would totally agree.

[laddo]

In my 50 years following Notts I can count on one hand the managers I'd have back, Jimmy and Neil Warnock obviously, Howard wilkinson and 'shock horror' sam allardyce. All the others, in half a century, have been half decent,average or crap, in my opinion. Neil Ardleys no different from most of them. If crowds were allowed back and there was discontent do you think that would sway the owners decision ?

And we are back, great to see

Interesting comments from Borg and a good post, 4 in 50 years. Regardless of the actual number people would quote it shows how rare they are at Meadow Lane.

We are in essence comparing half decent, with bang average compared to poor managers and boy do we have a whole host to choose from.

Overall Ardley hasn't impressed during his tenure but neither did so many before him. I assume people just forget or look back on some of these managers with more fondest than at the time.

That's why it always amuses me when the latest man in the hot seat always gets labelled as the absolute worse ever when we aren't doing well.

We are Notts we've often not been doing well, we question whether the manager should still be in the hot seat most years.

It makes the rare goods times, great I suppose.

No doubt if there were crowds there would be more visible discontent but no more than we've seen many many times before. I don't think it would away them one jot unless fans voted with their feet and I don't believe we've been at that stage with NA. Unlike with past managers, Keith Curle being a prime example

[matt_magpie]

In from me, for now.

Before we seriously consider replacing him, I'd want:

1. To have a decent comparison done between him and his competition. As in, hard numbers, not internet forum guys' opinions. People throw things around like the budget and players he's got, but what are the actual numbers? If he really is better funded than the 2-3 teams outperforming us in this league, then that's a big deal. If he's not, then changing the manager might have no benefit and might even hurt.
2. To have it decided who his replacement is, and be quite sure that replacement would do a better job. Otherwise in all seriousness what's the point in changing managers? We made the mistake twice in our relegation season where we fired the manager with NO replacement lined up. That's kind of crazy, and I can't see the new owners behaving like that at all. So far all of their decisions seem to have been careful, sensible, and measured.
3. A plan to deal with the transition. Notts have suffered from bad manager transitions quite a lot over the last decade.

If he gets us promoted this year I would absolutely sign a one year contract with him to consolidate in L2. If he doesn't, as I said a few months ago, I'd want to understand why not. If he was out-managed then that's an issue. If the teams that beat us were just better teams, then replacing him makes no sense.

We're not doing quite as well as I thought we would be by this stage of the season season. We're a few wins off the pace and that's a little disappointing.

However, I think given the squad depth we've got and the clear strategy from pre-season onward of having at least two complete teams to field... combined with the number of new signings, I expect our second half of the season to be a better overall performance than what we've seen so far.

Meanwhile, other teams might cop a bunch of injuries and choke from the relentless workload. That said, we're the ones with the higher workload for the foreseeable, not to mention the injury problems.

For the record today I'm posting as Thomas the Tank Engine.

Totally agree, I expect the Sutton and Torquay’s budgets are not as good as ours, but I imagine Stockport, Hartlepool, Wrexham are in the same ballpark, Stockport have spent a lot on training facilities and have a decent squad. We haven’t been playing great but we are ahead I think of last seasons points. As you said, there’s a tough schedule so luck will play a massive part with injuries and we do have good strength in depth. I was confident a few games ago but we do really need to up our performance levels of late or we will struggle.

[Evesham Pie]

Enough's enough. He needs to go.

[irishpete]

I think more are begining to smell the coffee so to speak at last

[MancMagpie]

I've changed my mind......ARDLEY OUT

[MancMagpie]

Get him out. I'm sick of this now. Have always tried to be reasonable and rational......but it's time for him to go.