Nicoliar calls

[Deeranged]

The NHS was still accepting patients for non coronavirus conditions,the stats tell us suicide rates did not go up,

I can only see data for up to 2019.

In 2019 the number of suicides reported in Scotland was 833, in 2018 it was 784 an increase of 5.9% in 2019 over 2018 - this is under something called the 'New Coding Rules'. I've no idea what the coding rules are.

The five year rolling average for suicides up to 2015 was 776, for 2016 it was 744, for 2017 it was 714, for 2018 it was 712 and for 2019 it was 739.4 - does that really say suicide rate isn't increasing? These are the stats after all and they tell me the rate seemed to drop off up until 2019 when there was a fairly significant increase. What happened in 2019 to cause this jump? Will that same thing cause another increase in 2020? I rather think it will, in fact I think it'll be significantly worse with the added stress of Covid.

Can you show me where I can find the published information to back your statement that the suicide rate isn't increasing? I'm genuinely interested. NRS website doesn't seem to have any 2020 data yet so for now let's just say the rate's on the up.

[noahrab]

Put him in a normal ward ? and help spread it, good thinking

When he was admitted it was a time when we didn’t know where this was going, we were watching horror stories from Italy, they obviously took precautions, but for people to claim he wasn’t ill, they’ll be claiming mans never been to the moon next

All stems from the Independence movement that is built on hatred, fed by the SNP hierarchy.

[noahrab]

As tories go, I actually prefer Boris to Cameron and may, cud never vote for them tho. 

Why?

[grantzer]

I can only see data for up to 2019.

In 2019 the number of suicides reported in Scotland was 833, in 2018 it was 784 an increase of 5.9% in 2019 over 2018 - this is under something called the 'New Coding Rules'. I've no idea what the coding rules are.

The five year rolling average for suicides up to 2015 was 776, for 2016 it was 744, for 2017 it was 714, for 2018 it was 712 and for 2019 it was 739.4 - does that really say suicide rate isn't increasing? These are the stats after all and they tell me the rate seemed to drop off up until 2019 when there was a fairly significant increase. What happened in 2019 to cause this jump? Will that same thing cause another increase in 2020? I rather think it will, in fact I think it'll be significantly worse with the added stress of Covid.

Can you show me where I can find the published information to back your statement that the suicide rate isn't increasing? I'm genuinely interested. NRS website doesn't seem to have any 2020 data yet so for now let's just say the rate's on the up.

Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.
That's from the bmj

[eric_sinclair]

Why?

Cameron took off when brexit vote went pear shaped and I think may was indesisive. Boris at least has a bit about him.
As for the tory party, I've always saw them as a party more interested in Middle class England and didna relate to me as a working class scout. Think they are more for the elite,stopped my support we Labour due to John smiths death and Blair taking over. Ended up voting snp due to the candidate, hopefully sarwar gets Labour back in the game but long road ahead.

[Deeranged]

Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.
That's from the bmj

Means nothing with respect. That's not Scotland and the numbers do not compare with the five year rolling average that's showing a significant increase in this country last year.

What are the figures of 11, 13 and 14? Is this numbers per 100,000? I can see the following from the ONS mind - doesn't suggest an increase in Engurlandshire but also gives a reason why the figures might be low in Q2 (interesting) and why they might be significantly higher in Q3 -

'Provisional data show there were 10.7 suicide deaths per 100,000 people in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2020 in England, equivalent to 1,334 deaths registered; this rate is similar to rates seen in the third quarter of previous years.

In the provisional Quarter 3 2020 data, there were 16.3 deaths per 100,000 males (992 deaths registered) and 5.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 females (342 deaths registered); these rates are similar to rates observed in the same quarter in previous years.

Whilst the provisional rates observed in Quarter 3 2020 for men and women are statistically significantly higher compared with Quarter 2 (Apr to June) 2020, this is because of the lower number of suicides registered in Quarter 2 that have subsequently been registered in Quarter 3.

The lower number of suicides registered in Quarter 2 2020 is likely to be caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic having an impact on the coroner's service resulting in delays to inquests.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...evious%20years.

[noahrab]

Cameron took off when brexit vote went pear shaped and I think may was indesisive. Boris at least has a bit about him.
As for the tory party, I've always saw them as a party more interested in Middle class England and didna relate to me as a working class scout. Think they are more for the elite,stopped my support we Labour due to John smiths death and Blair taking over. Ended up voting snp due to the candidate, hopefully sarwar gets Labour back in the game but long road ahead.

Cameron did what any decent leader does when it went against them, resign. Salmond did the same. Compare and contrast when Sturgeon lost 21 MP’s at a GE.

Like them or not, they didn’t desert the people of the country over the last year, hardly elitist.

Voting SNP, or any political party but particularly the SNP, because of the candidate is a cop out.

The SNP aren’t allowed to have a different opinion from the party line.

It used to be said that Labour could put a monkey up for election in some constituencies and it would get elected.

We have that with the SNP, without exception.

[eric_sinclair]

Cameron did what any decent leader does when it went against them, resign. Salmond did the same. Compare and contrast when Sturgeon lost 21 MP’s at a GE.

Like them or not, they didn’t desert the people of the country over the last year, hardly elitist.

Voting SNP, or any political party but particularly the SNP, because of the candidate is a cop out.

The SNP aren’t allowed to have a different opinion from the party line.

It used to be said that Labour could put a monkey up for election in some constituencies and it would get elected.

We have that with the SNP, without exception.

Absolute nonsense, you have no idea what the candidate did for my family. The then Labour my did nothing. I will vote for who I want and it ain't no cop out.

[jdfc]

Cameron took off when brexit vote went pear shaped and I think may was indesisive. Boris at least has a bit about him.
As for the tory party, I've always saw them as a party more interested in Middle class England and didna relate to me as a working class scout. Think they are more for the elite,stopped my support we Labour due to John smiths death and Blair taking over. Ended up voting snp due to the candidate, hopefully sarwar gets Labour back in the game but long road ahead.

We should never forget, if it wasn’t for the SNP backing we would never have had Thatcher, this seems to be forgotten in time

[Returnofrros]

Grateful for what Maggie did for me and mine.