Our dear old friends at the FA....

[Monaco_Totty]

No problem with differing opinion but how we express them is another matter.

As someone that experiences actual delusional thinking, it’s difficult to hear people using the word deluded/delusional to describe someone they disagree with. By using this term all you’re doing is insinuating our symptoms are synonymous with badness.

So no - any person you disagree with isn't delusional.
It’s insensitive, lazy and a gross misuse of the word.

OK, I'll nail my view to any moaners and will publicly state our initial PL success wasn't a one off, a fluke, or a glitch in the matrix, far from it, as it was well earned and part of a evolving bigger picture still in progress of a well devised team building plan & I certainly won't hide my ID either stating it on here, there or anywhere face to face.
Very few players reach the top grade is factual - Leeds are no exception recruitment wise.

Firstly, A PL 'club' is no longer a 'once weekly' English TV 90 min show, it's now 24/7 big bucks global business, full of public emotional complexity, competing egos of folks on social media, full of probing analysis of the relationship between coaching-staff & players and far to often ignoring the pressures to perform, the mental daily pressures dealing with social media abuse, the loss of form,being injured or dropped and the constant desire to meet the expectation of the fans opinions - no wonder footballers often come off tracks during short careers.

Secondly, I just hope that the 'anonymous internet warriors' consider their opinions offered for what will be a tough month or so for Leeds Utd, as for me we're still on steady-track, albeit on our early PL journey, so not sure what some folks expected if they understood the Rad's longer-term plans of eventual team building from within.

Finally, Very sad to read some ridiculous criticisms of MB who has already disrupted the football-industry with his attacking 'lateral approach philosophy' which is becoming the new best-practice adopted by several top clubs [admittedly tweaked with their big money signings] which hopefully in time we can also aspire to - for now we have what we've got and I'd like to thank, acknowledge and appreciated a message received from Tyler regarding comments made a while back, it meant a lot mate - Thank you for your time.

As Org reminded folks you'd be surprised who reads football forums, so - Before you say it, think about the person behind the word. ALAW

[Orgoner]

What she said.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

What she said.

X2

[ozleeds]

No problem with differing opinion but how we express them is another matter.

As someone that experiences actual delusional thinking, it’s difficult to hear people using the word deluded/delusional to describe someone they disagree with. By using this term all you’re doing is insinuating our symptoms are synonymous with badness.

So no - any person you disagree with isn't delusional.
It’s insensitive, lazy and a gross misuse of the word.

OK, I'll nail my view to any moaners and will publicly state our initial PL success wasn't a one off, a fluke, or a glitch in the matrix, far from it, as it was well earned and part of a evolving bigger picture still in progress of a well devised team building plan & I certainly won't hide my ID either stating it on here, there or anywhere face to face.
Very few players reach the top grade is factual - Leeds are no exception recruitment wise.

Firstly, A PL 'club' is no longer a 'once weekly' English TV 90 min show, it's now 24/7 big bucks global business, full of public emotional complexity, competing egos of folks on social media, full of probing analysis of the relationship between coaching-staff & players and far to often ignoring the pressures to perform, the mental daily pressures dealing with social media abuse, the loss of form,being injured or dropped and the constant desire to meet the expectation of the fans opinions - no wonder footballers often come off tracks during short careers.

Secondly, I just hope that the 'anonymous internet warriors' consider their opinions offered for what will be a tough month or so for Leeds Utd, as for me we're still on steady-track, albeit on our early PL journey, so not sure what some folks expected if they understood the Rad's longer-term plans of eventual team building from within.

Finally, Very sad to read some ridiculous criticisms of MB who has already disrupted the football-industry with his attacking 'lateral approach philosophy' which is becoming the new best-practice adopted by several top clubs [admittedly tweaked with their big money signings] which hopefully in time we can also aspire to - for now we have what we've got and I'd like to thank, acknowledge and appreciated a message received from Tyler regarding comments made a while back, it meant a lot mate - Thank you for your time.

As Org reminded folks you'd be surprised who reads football forums, so - Before you say it, think about the person behind the word. ALAW

Sorry, disagree.
It's a democracy last time I looked or has China taken over the world already?
Forums are what they are people's opinions and as you say clubs and players read these forums must be because they know deep down the going is tough and want to know what people think. BTW I doubt any read forums.
If you really think the club is going in the right direction well it's your opinion and the same for the others who agree and your opinions appreciated and respected, even though some may not agree such as in this case this peoples opinions should be respected also not turned on like you just posted calling them, MOANERS.
I will leave you with this.
If a sick dying man can see prior to the season that we are struggling predicted Phillips Bamf out for long periods god forbid who didn't listen lol Predicted he is forming a 3 CB policy why on earth could the club not see it and do something about it?
As for your Messiah well, he is just a madman with one plan called beautiful football whom when it fails it's not so beautiful hence spending here 5 minutes replying to your opinion.
As for another thing like recruiting I will leave it to your imagination.
Once again Love you and respect your views.

[Orgoner]

I don’t think we have problems with different views, it’s just how they are usually disagreed with?

Anyway, let’s hope for a decent performance and progress for the team. Definitely a work in progress.

[WTF11]

No problem with differing opinion but how we express them is another matter.

As someone that experiences actual delusional thinking, it’s difficult to hear people using the word deluded/delusional to describe someone they disagree with. By using this term all you’re doing is insinuating our symptoms are synonymous with badness.

So no - any person you disagree with isn't delusional.
It’s insensitive, lazy and a gross misuse of the word.

OK, I'll nail my view to any moaners and will publicly state our initial PL success wasn't a one off, a fluke, or a glitch in the matrix, far from it, as it was well earned and part of a evolving bigger picture still in progress of a well devised team building plan & I certainly won't hide my ID either stating it on here, there or anywhere face to face.
Very few players reach the top grade is factual - Leeds are no exception recruitment wise.

Firstly, A PL 'club' is no longer a 'once weekly' English TV 90 min show, it's now 24/7 big bucks global business, full of public emotional complexity, competing egos of folks on social media, full of probing analysis of the relationship between coaching-staff & players and far to often ignoring the pressures to perform, the mental daily pressures dealing with social media abuse, the loss of form,being injured or dropped and the constant desire to meet the expectation of the fans opinions - no wonder footballers often come off tracks during short careers.

Secondly, I just hope that the 'anonymous internet warriors' consider their opinions offered for what will be a tough month or so for Leeds Utd, as for me we're still on steady-track, albeit on our early PL journey, so not sure what some folks expected if they understood the Rad's longer-term plans of eventual team building from within.

Finally, Very sad to read some ridiculous criticisms of MB who has already disrupted the football-industry with his attacking 'lateral approach philosophy' which is becoming the new best-practice adopted by several top clubs [admittedly tweaked with their big money signings] which hopefully in time we can also aspire to - for now we have what we've got and I'd like to thank, acknowledge and appreciated a message received from Tyler regarding comments made a while back, it meant a lot mate - Thank you for your time.

As Org reminded folks you'd be surprised who reads football forums, so - Before you say it, think about the person behind the word. ALAW

Definition of "delusional".........

“characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument”, or “based on or having faulty judgement; mistaken”.

So no MT, I was not being lazy, neither have I mis-used the word. In my opinion, to which I am entitled just as you are yours, for Orta or anyone else to believe that LUFC have invested wisely in the transfer market, for some time but in particular since he became DoF, is delusional. By that same opinion, anyone who believes that we have a squad now, (taking into account all the debate regarding the possible inclusion of players currently in the U23 squad), that is capable of sustained success against the opposition in the PL is delusional. I use the word advisedly. Simply because you have experience of delusional thinking doesn't qualify you to be the arbiter of the use of that word by others, it makes you more insightful, not deified.

You were quite happy in post #29, to accuse those who use social media of "say(ing) many things without feeling inhibited", and of "anonymously hiding on social media & mouthing off a barrage of continual obnoxious insults". I replied to you, offering to "eyeball" the DoF if he was willing, so the aura of "anonymous internet warrior" as you put it, could be dispelled. Strangely that reply has been ignored, you seem to prefer to return to using social media to bad mouth those with whom you disagree. Seems ever so slightly hypocritical, as is the reference to "Before you say it, think about the person behind the word". Walk the walk, as well as talk the talk.

As for who reads these missives, I can't control that, and if they don't like my opinions of them (and after all that's what we are discussing here) that's tough. I'm not about to describe anyone in terms that are slanderous or libellous, I AM willing to express an opinion, like it or not is down to those who care to read anything I post..

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I see you are fully imbued with the Christmas spirit and bringing tidings of warmth, kindness and joy to one and all.

I don’t see what is wrong in being able to disagree without insults or disparaging the person with whom you disagree.

[WTF11]

I see you are fully imbued with the Christmas spirit and bringing tidings of warmth, kindness and joy to one and all.

I don’t see what is wrong in being able to disagree without insults or disparaging the person with whom you disagree.

I refer you to post #29 and that immediately preceding my post. It would seem that it's reprehensible for me to express my opinion (shorn of any insults) but ok for others who are treated differently based on some misguided attempt at "levelling up". If MT and/or her mother can't stand the heat (without insulting those she doesn't agree with), then she and her ken should get out of the kitchen (and you too maybe).

My OPINION is what us being questioned, whether my OPINION that the performance of our DoF in recruiting players suitable to sustain us in the Premiership is adequate and that assertion by him and those who agree with him that it is. That assertion is evidence of delusion, in my opinion. Pick the insults or disparaging comments out of that. I'm off to have my tea.

[WTF11]

No problem with differing opinion but how we express them is another matter.

As someone that experiences actual delusional thinking, it’s difficult to hear people using the word deluded/delusional to describe someone they disagree with. By using this term all you’re doing is insinuating our symptoms are synonymous with badness.

So no - any person you disagree with isn't delusional.
It’s insensitive, lazy and a gross misuse of the word.

OK, I'll nail my view to any moaners and will publicly state our initial PL success wasn't a one off, a fluke, or a glitch in the matrix, far from it, as it was well earned and part of a evolving bigger picture still in progress of a well devised team building plan & I certainly won't hide my ID either stating it on here, there or anywhere face to face.
Very few players reach the top grade is factual - Leeds are no exception recruitment wise.

Firstly, A PL 'club' is no longer a 'once weekly' English TV 90 min show, it's now 24/7 big bucks global business, full of public emotional complexity, competing egos of folks on social media, full of probing analysis of the relationship between coaching-staff & players and far to often ignoring the pressures to perform, the mental daily pressures dealing with social media abuse, the loss of form,being injured or dropped and the constant desire to meet the expectation of the fans opinions - no wonder footballers often come off tracks during short careers.

Secondly, I just hope that the 'anonymous internet warriors' consider their opinions offered for what will be a tough month or so for Leeds Utd, as for me we're still on steady-track, albeit on our early PL journey, so not sure what some folks expected if they understood the Rad's longer-term plans of eventual team building from within.

Finally, Very sad to read some ridiculous criticisms of MB who has already disrupted the football-industry with his attacking 'lateral approach philosophy' which is becoming the new best-practice adopted by several top clubs [admittedly tweaked with their big money signings] which hopefully in time we can also aspire to - for now we have what we've got and I'd like to thank, acknowledge and appreciated a message received from Tyler regarding comments made a while back, it meant a lot mate - Thank you for your time.

As Org reminded folks you'd be surprised who reads football forums, so - Before you say it, think about the person behind the word. ALAW

"No problem with differing opinion but how we express them is another matter."

So you set yourself up as some sort of "gate guardian", determining how others who differ from your opinion express themselves? How breathtakingly egotistical. I don't agree with a lot of what others post, but I've never considered myself capable of determining how they should express themselves, nor whether they should agree or disagree with my opinion. You seem to consider yourself superior in some way, your life experience elevating you to some position above other mere mortals, without any consideration as to whether those other mere mortals have experience you might learn from.

"Walk a mile in my shoes", applies to us all.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I refer you to post #29 and that immediately preceding my post. It would seem that it's reprehensible for me to express my opinion (shorn of any insults) but ok for others who are treated differently based on some misguided attempt at "levelling up". If MT and/or her mother can't stand the heat (without insulting those she doesn't agree with), then she and her ken should get out of the kitchen (and you too maybe).

My OPINION is what us being questioned, whether my OPINION that the performance of our DoF in recruiting players suitable to sustain us in the Premiership is adequate and that assertion by him and those who agree with him that it is. That assertion is evidence of delusion, in my opinion. Pick the insults or disparaging comments out of that. I'm off to have my tea.

Nope I don’t suspect anyone has a problem with you expressing an opinion on football matters. It is when your opinion then encroaches into derogatory comments or insults for anyone who deigns to hold a contrary view.

I refer you to hundreds of your posts over several years.

The new flavour to your argument over the having dished it out for years is that you occasionally cop for flack back in return and bleat about it without any thought that one may reap what one sows.

When you are in that mood it is pointless trying to discuss anything with you.
I also don’t get why you seem to have a pop at MT endlessly other than you used to do the same to her mum.

She makes interesting contributions often with links to source material. If you don’t like it maybe say nothing rather than trying to put her down?