O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Bernard_Bresslaw]

Not surprising, because the vast majority of people are now vaccinated! Do you have stats on any correlation between jabbed and unjabbed people based on numbers in each group? Even then, it would need to be broken down into age groups, because the very young at least risk will be included as 'unjabbed' mainly because it hasn't been offered to them.

I've said before I don't like these links because it's easy to find one that says what you want it to say, but I'll break my rule and post this:

Unvaccinated people are 32 times more likely to die from coronavirus than those who have been doubled-jabbed, according to the figures from the Office for National Statistics.

You could probably find some obscure link to contradict that, but because it's a gamble I prefer to try and keep the odds in my favour.

The '32 times' study was based on figures from December 2020 to September 2021. If you pull up the NHS England daily figures you will see the proportion of total deaths which occurred in January and February. Bear in mind that 5% vaccination was reached in early March 2021

[upthemaggies]

Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre link

https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports

[BanjoPie]

I agree. I'm not sure that any research would be able to say categorically that masks work against Covid, because you need control figures which just aren't available.

To me it just seems sense that if someone coughs over me, I'm less likely to be infected if they are wearing a mask than if they aren't.

Just bought Sonovia masks, patented by an Company in Israel. Has a layer of zinc in the material that kills the virus, 99.5% effective

[Bernard_Bresslaw]

Re stats for jabbed versus unjabbed deaths Public Health Scotland published figures for four weeks on 8th December. It confirms 92.9% vaccination of all over the age of 18 (a couple of percent lower when the threshold is lowered to 12). At page 56 it confirms 64 total unjabbed deaths and 361 double jabbed deaths.

[SwalePie]

All of the latest very detailed data on vaccine effectiveness among different age groups against transmission, infection, hospitalisation, mortality etc. is freely available in the weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report from the UK HSA.

Here's the latest edition published on Thursday. (Current effectiveness against hospitalisation is shown on page 8.)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039677/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_49.pdf

[upthemaggies]

Re stats for jabbed versus unjabbed deaths Public Health Scotland published figures for four weeks on 8th December. It confirms 92.9% vaccination of all over the age of 18 (a couple of percent lower when the threshold is lowered to 12). At page 56 it confirms 64 total unjabbed deaths and 361 double jabbed deaths.

I saw the Scottish figures, shocking.

I'm mindful of coming across as looking smug when posting, but believe me I am s*** scared for my family and the impact this is going to have on day to day living, food supplies and general infrastructure - not being jabbed could well turn out to be like surviving a nuclear war and having to deal with the aftermath.
There comes a point where you can no longer listen to people who are being proved wrong time and time again (copyright Alan Shearer). You have to take notice of people who are making predictions that turn out to be true. What can we do? Be as damned healthy as you f**** can. Quit the vices, exercise, eat well and give yourself the best possible chance.

Boosters will likely have a short term effect but it won't last.

[cher1]

Latest figures from the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre now showing the majority of Covid ICU patients in October and November were vaccinated.

Yes, hence the booster programme. Protection from initial vaccinations is waning. If you consider that the %age of eligible adults/over 12s who have been double vaccinated is 80ish%, if vaccines were no longer having any effect at all, then vaccinated people would make up 80% of hospitalisations which is not the case . But so many people have been vaccinated, that a small percentage of that large group can make up the majority of hospitalisations if that makes sense?

Amongst people who've had the booster, the difference between the two groups will be much more obvious.

[SwalePie]

Yes, hence the booster programme. Protection from initial vaccinations is waning. If you consider that the %age of eligible adults/over 12s who have been double vaccinated is 80ish%, if vaccines were no longer having any effect at all, then vaccinated people would make up 80% of hospitalisations which is not the case . But so many people have been vaccinated, that a small percentage of that large group can make up the majority of hospitalisations if that makes sense?

Amongst people who've had the booster, the difference between the two groups will be much more obvious.

Taken from just one of the many articles interviewing ICU and critical care professionals:

"The patients that are being seen in intensive care units are predominantly people who have not being vaccinated,"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-59564984

and from Nottingham regarding Critical Care...

"The majority of patients in critical care with coronavirus are unvaccinated, hospital figures show.

Staff at Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust - which runs the Queen's Medical Centre and Nottingham City Hospital - confirmed there were currently 14 patients with coronavirus in critical care.

And they said that 12 of them weren't vaccinated."

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/majority-patients-critical-care-nottingham-6330441

[Mapperleypie]

Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre link

https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports

Have you ignored the chart on page 45 of the most recent report on there?

It shows the number of hospitalisations per 100,000 of those jabbed to those not. The difference is stark.

[cher1]

Re stats for jabbed versus unjabbed deaths Public Health Scotland published figures for four weeks on 8th December. It confirms 92.9% vaccination of all over the age of 18 (a couple of percent lower when the threshold is lowered to 12). At page 56 it confirms 64 total unjabbed deaths and 361 double jabbed deaths.

If we're looking at the same report, you've missed out the part on page 56 where it says that the latest mortality rate for those who are double vaccinated is 1.41 per 100,000. The mortality rate for the unvaccinated is 8.93 per 100,000. The raw numbers of deaths don't tell the whole story because the huge majority of people are vaccinated, so the two cohorts arent remotely comparable in size.

I was off with the %age of vaccinated people in a previous post- it's actually over 90% in Scotland, apologies for that, so the vaccinated cohort is even larger.