O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Lullapie]

A very good idea. Not many takers I’d guess.

How about people who are obese or smoke, should they sign their rights away too?

[magpie_mania]

The sensationalism and hyperbole is maybe why people are quick to blame 'the unvaccinated' for the current situation, and allows government to introduce - and a crap opposition to agree to - plans to exclude some people from day to day life despite the fact "it is still possible to catch and spread covid-19 even if fully vaccinated"* .
If you have had the vaccine why be worried if an unvaccinated person was to sit next to you at Meadow Lane, or think it right that the government could exclude people based on whether they have taken the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I'm concerned that people can be excluded from society based on whether they decline the covid-19 vaccine as I thought medical treatment wasn't meant to be based on coercion.
Once COVID passes become accepted I would worry this or future governments might mandate other medical choices to suit their agenda rather than letting the individual decide.


*gov.uk

It is still possible to catch Covid even if fully vaccinated, but much less likely, and if you do, much less likely to die or have serious illness . Some have used the seatbelt example, it's still possible to get seriously injured when wearing one, so there's no point.

I am not sure I agree with Covid passes etc (anyone can manufacture a negative LFT) but I don't agree with your last sentence.

[BigFatPie]

How about people who are obese or smoke, should they sign their rights away too?

Dunno. Can you catch smoking or obesity?

[upthemaggies]

So we're censoring actual Boris Johnson quotes now?

[upthemaggies]

Japan now taking side effects from the vaccine very seriously, emphasizing informed consent and bodily autonomy. Warnings being put on vaccines known to cause heart issues.

[Lullapie]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

[upthemaggies]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

To be honest, I think this variant does have the potential to become a very serious problem in countries that are heavily vaccinated, the contrast in panic between the UK and South Africa speaks volumes. We need to be reading between the lines and think about what's mot being said.

As things stand, my prediction is that we will eventually reach the stage where we will need to have lockdowns, segregation etc. to protect vaccinated people (or at least the older and vulnerable among them) as the window of 'protection' offered by the vaccines ever narrows as the virus adapts and evolves in the reservoir of vaxxed with waning effectiveness.

[cher1]

Informed consent is good medicine. I was certainly warned specifically about myocarditis/pericarditis before having a booster on Friday. The cases seem to be mostly in younger males, and the study I looked at showed that in the US, in males under 30, there had been no deaths from myocarditis due to the vaccine. Most cases were mild or moderate.

The reality is that every medicine and medical or surgical procedure carry a risk, however tiny. The evidence for any age group still shows that is safer to be vaccinated than not to be vaccinated.

As for Japan, their vaccination rates is now amongst the highest in the world, so informed consent would appear to lead to most people choosing to be vaccinated.

[cher1]

As things stand, my prediction is that we will eventually reach the stage where we will need to have lockdowns, segregation etc. to protect vaccinated people (or at least the older and vulnerable among them) as the window of 'protection' offered by the vaccines ever narrows as the virus adapts and evolves in the reservoir of vaxxed with waning effectiveness.

I don't understand this. Vaccinated people (even as protection wanes) are less likely to catch covid than unvaccinated people. So surely they are a lesser concern in terms of needing protection. Why don't the unvaccinated also need protection?

[macstop]

A great piece by Neil Oliver. Well said Neil

https://youtu.be/d-G2doK-pJw

I am completely with Neil on this matter, but my biggest fear is where the damn thing came from, it certainly did not come from bats, and if senator Paul Rand is correct we should be real scared, because this deadly stuff is still being made in China, and not by the Chinese.

P.S. if you all want to get scared of dying, get cancer like i did 14 months ago, i have had covid at the same time and that was a breeze, and i believe my immune system is stronger than any vax, but of cause no one is willing to test me.