Wrexham home games go back behind closed doors

[ancientpie]

You do realise you can still catch and pass on Covid even if vaccinated 3 times don't you? You could even pass it onto an unvaccinated person who didn't have it before meeting you. Why do people treat unvaccinated people like lepers?? I've been double jabbed but not taking anymore thanks, where does it end?

I fully understand that being vaccined is no guarantee, but I also understand that the vaccinated have at least tried to do right by others, I cannot understand why so many people are making a big thing of being jabbed it doesn't hurt & takes next to no time. We are in danger of going over the same arguments so I think we must agree to differ but as far as I'm concerned I will have as many jabs as are needed if I believe it helps fight this thing.

[magpie_mania]

I agree with UTM that we ought to keep it football related, although there obviously is some crossover when Covid passes comes into it.

The more I see from the way other countries are introducing restrictions etc, including the other home nations, the more I am convinced Boris will in England. That's what the original post was about. I reckon he will announce it on Dec 27th to take immediate effect, and closing stadiums will be part of it.

I watched a bit of the World Darts this week. Simply would not be right for football to have to go BCD while that continues as it is.

[upthemaggies]

This is the timetable we're currently working to.

Last EFL Play-Off Final (2nd tier) – Sunday, 29 May 2022
NL Play off final Sunday 5th June 2022

2022/23 start dates
Sky Bet Championship, League One and League Two set to start on the weekend of Saturday 30th July 2022
The Premier League season will start on 6 August 2022.
National League - Can't find a date, probably intended to start when they felt like it.

[i961pie]

Joe Biden eh? Must be right then.

Let's try and keep this thread football related. How ill people get is irrelevant to the prospect of lockdowns. If you test positive, you have to isolate, that includes emergency services - police etc., hence we end up with restrictions. If triple vax spread it, it makes no difference to the damage being done to business including football clubs so long as we keep on playing this stupid game of no matter how fit and well you are, we can't have people catching a cold.
Seemingly Notts are in a better position than most financially but that's offset by us being in this joke organisation of a league. Haven't seen anything yet from Ollie Bayliss re NL meeting to discuss what should happen. If anybody does know what their plans are in the event of lockdown/BCD/PPG I'd be pleased to know.

No problem keeping it football related but post 25 went off track so just responded.

[drillerpie]

Looks like the odds are Triple vaxxed are twice as likely to test positive as double vaxxed according to latest ONS figures. This might be because triple vaxxed are more paranoid and testing more or there's now twice as many triples as doubled out there, but clearly being triple vaxxed is not stopping the spread - so if true a full lockdown and for longer would be even more likely.
I expect a lot of smaller clubs won't accept BCD without sufficient compensation guarantees, so it could be a right old mess again with the World Cup putting extra pressure on leagues to finish the season on time.

Have you got a link to those official figures UTM?

[upthemaggies]

Have you got a link to those official figures UTM?

Office for National Statistics

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, early analysis of characteristics associated with the Omicron variant among Covid-19 infections, UK: 21 December 2021

"Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."

"The analysis is based only on individuals who test positive with a high viral load (Ct < 30) and have gene pattern OR + N, OR + N + S, OR + S or N + S."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statemen...20december2021

[maddogslater]

Joe Biden aka the living dead.

[upthemaggies]

Daily Sceptic take on this data.

"According to early data published on Tuesday by the ONS, the triple-vaccinated are 4.5 times as likely to test positive for a probable Omicron infection than the unvaccinated. The double-vaccinated, meanwhile, are 2.3 times as likely to have a probable Omicron infection.

The data from the ONS Infection Survey, while provisional, adds support to the claim that the Omicron variant has significant vaccine evading ability.

Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place. This means it doesn’t tell us that the vaccines are making things worse overall, only that they are making it much more likely that a vaccinated person is infected with Omicron than another variant. In other words, it is a measure of how well Omicron evades the vaccines compared to Delta. The fact that the triple-vaccinated are much more likely to be infected with Omicron than the double-vaccinated confirms this vaccine evading ability.

The data also doesn’t tell us anything about the severity of Omicron, or how well the vaccines continue to protect against serious disease.

It does mean, though, that the current Omicron outbreak is largely an epidemic of the vaccinated and is being driven, not by the unvaccinated, but by those who have been double and triple jabbed. Combined with the fact that Omicron has quickly grown to be the majority of new infections, it suggests the vaccinated are playing an outsize role in the current outbreak."


If they are right, Omicron will rip through football.

If football is cancelled altogether or they go BCD, it's inevitable there will be an additional period of 'caution' before restrictions are lifted.

[SwalePie]

At least this part gives some overall reassurance...

"...though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant."

[macstop]

Office for National Statistics

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, early analysis of characteristics associated with the Omicron variant among Covid-19 infections, UK: 21 December 2021

"Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."

"The analysis is based only on individuals who test positive with a high viral load (Ct < 30) and have gene pattern OR + N, OR + N + S, OR + S or N + S."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statemen...20december2021

UTM did you see the study done in Israel, vaccinated people had a 6 to 7 chance of catching covid than the none vaccinated, and that those who got the delta virus had a 27 times better immunity than being vaccinated, but of cause the west have no interest in natural immunity.

So if the below is to be believed, we have probably sacked people who could have better immune systems than the vaccinated, if only we would test people for T and B cells

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-...than-vaccines/

https://www.outkick.com/study-natura...e-than-pfizer/

Also read this below from the British Medical Journal, talk about a conflict of interests, i never knew this, but you lot probably did?

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...-public-sight/