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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    Have you got a link to those official figures UTM?
    Office for National Statistics

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, early analysis of characteristics associated with the Omicron variant among Covid-19 infections, UK: 21 December 2021

    "Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."

    "The analysis is based only on individuals who test positive with a high viral load (Ct < 30) and have gene pattern OR + N, OR + N + S, OR + S or N + S."

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statemen...20december2021

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    Daily Sceptic take on this data.

    "According to early data published on Tuesday by the ONS, the triple-vaccinated are 4.5 times as likely to test positive for a probable Omicron infection than the unvaccinated. The double-vaccinated, meanwhile, are 2.3 times as likely to have a probable Omicron infection.

    The data from the ONS Infection Survey, while provisional, adds support to the claim that the Omicron variant has significant vaccine evading ability.

    Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place. This means it doesn’t tell us that the vaccines are making things worse overall, only that they are making it much more likely that a vaccinated person is infected with Omicron than another variant. In other words, it is a measure of how well Omicron evades the vaccines compared to Delta. The fact that the triple-vaccinated are much more likely to be infected with Omicron than the double-vaccinated confirms this vaccine evading ability.

    The data also doesn’t tell us anything about the severity of Omicron, or how well the vaccines continue to protect against serious disease.

    It does mean, though, that the current Omicron outbreak is largely an epidemic of the vaccinated and is being driven, not by the unvaccinated, but by those who have been double and triple jabbed. Combined with the fact that Omicron has quickly grown to be the majority of new infections, it suggests the vaccinated are playing an outsize role in the current outbreak."



    If they are right, Omicron will rip through football.

    If football is cancelled altogether or they go BCD, it's inevitable there will be an additional period of 'caution' before restrictions are lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    Office for National Statistics

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, early analysis of characteristics associated with the Omicron variant among Covid-19 infections, UK: 21 December 2021

    "Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."

    "The analysis is based only on individuals who test positive with a high viral load (Ct < 30) and have gene pattern OR + N, OR + N + S, OR + S or N + S."

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statemen...20december2021
    UTM did you see the study done in Israel, vaccinated people had a 6 to 7 chance of catching covid than the none vaccinated, and that those who got the delta virus had a 27 times better immunity than being vaccinated, but of cause the west have no interest in natural immunity.

    So if the below is to be believed, we have probably sacked people who could have better immune systems than the vaccinated, if only we would test people for T and B cells

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-...than-vaccines/

    https://www.outkick.com/study-natura...e-than-pfizer/

    Also read this below from the British Medical Journal, talk about a conflict of interests, i never knew this, but you lot probably did?

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...-public-sight/

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    Quote Originally Posted by macstop View Post
    UTM did you see the study done in Israel, vaccinated people had a 6 to 7 chance of catching covid than the none vaccinated, and that those who got the delta virus had a 27 times better immunity than being vaccinated, but of cause the west have no interest in natural immunity.

    So if the below is to be believed, we have probably sacked people who could have better immune systems than the vaccinated, if only we would test people for T and B cells

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-...than-vaccines/

    https://www.outkick.com/study-natura...e-than-pfizer/

    Also read this below from the British Medical Journal, talk about a conflict of interests, i never knew this, but you lot probably did?

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...-public-sight/
    Israel yesterday announced rolling out the 4th jab to over 60s to tackle Omicron.

    Denmark are 80% vaxxed and are seeing it rip through that country.

    If we're ignoring severity and restricting/locking down on cases alone then how can football avoid something at least approaching a repeat of 2020?

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