Dens Park

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breach of the obligations provided within the articles of association will, usually, render the action taken void, whereas a breach of the obligations provided within a shareholders' agreement will give rise to a claim for breach of contract by the wronged party.
Think Islay is setting up for a wood burning diatribe. I hope so because I think that is a great topic.
Very simple Google answer given above. Classic lawyer speak using the word void. I think it just means they can't do it.
If FPS have 75% of the issued share capital I THINK FPS can rewrite the Articles of Association and alter the A share rights. DFCSS will know if that is correct. These were accepted by FPS when they took over the club.
I think your analysis of the likely outcome is perhaps too pessimistic. If there was a third pre-pack Administration to wind up the club I don't see what FPS gain. The authorities would undoubtedly throw DFC under a bus and make us start at the bottom of any league structure, which might be even lower than Rangers had to face. Where is there any benefit to them. I am assuming that SPFL will be very unwilling to help owners in a battle with supporters but maybe that is totally wrong.
Keep the entrenched rights, try to get DFCSS on the same wavelength as FPS and encourage a buy back Dens programme with DFCSS and all supporters groups and fans involved.

Thanks for reply.

What I don't understand though is if they HAVE already done it they can't undo it....we move to tannadice they say we will build, doesn't happen for whatever reason we are screwed.

Here's what I'm talking about

Someone pinches my dinner money at the school....local bully ....let's call him James mcpake for easy understanding 😁

I say that ain't allowed James, James isnae too worried about potential consequences afterwards of spending my money on himself....I've got to "take action" or get someone else to take action to stop him spending my money in the first place or em going without my chip roll and quenchy cup that day....James isnae too fussed about a telling AFF from the teacher or any idle threat of mine afterwards....action as I say must be taken..... a pre emptive strike or its Asta la vista to my dinner.

[Returnofrros]

breach of the obligations provided within the articles of association will, usually, render the action taken void, whereas a breach of the obligations provided within a shareholders' agreement will give rise to a claim for breach of contract by the wronged party.
Think Islay is setting up for a wood burning diatribe. I hope so because I think that is a great topic.
Very simple Google answer given above. Classic lawyer speak using the word void. I think it just means they can't do it.
If FPS have 75% of the issued share capital I THINK FPS can rewrite the Articles of Association and alter the A share rights. DFCSS will know if that is correct. These were accepted by FPS when they took over the club.
I think your analysis of the likely outcome is perhaps too pessimistic. If there was a third pre-pack Administration to wind up the club I don't see what FPS gain. The authorities would undoubtedly throw DFC under a bus and make us start at the bottom of any league structure, which might be even lower than Rangers had to face. Where is there any benefit to them. I am assuming that SPFL will be very unwilling to help owners in a battle with supporters but maybe that is totally wrong.
Keep the entrenched rights, try to get DFCSS on the same wavelength as FPS and encourage a buy back Dens programme with DFCSS and all supporters groups and fans involved.

Pessimistic......surely no.😀

[Returnofrros]

The last thing that anyone wants to do is end up with a court case which would likely prove expensive for both sides.
However this morning there is a topic on another Dundee FC forum which stated that Arbroath FC have been in touch with Dundee FC about the possibility of them ground sharing at Dens Park in the event of them winning promotion to the Premier League next season.

Why would Arbroath have to ground share?

And their natural 2nd home would be the other East Angus mob surely.

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Why would Arbroath have to ground share?

And their natural 2nd home would be the other East Angus mob surely.

Crowd numbers when the bigger clubs visit them?

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Why would Arbroath have to ground share?

And their natural 2nd home would be the other East Angus mob surely.

Arbroath chairman wanted us relegated to the bottom division at admin two if memory serves so it would have to a big 'get right tae' fae me

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Crowd numbers when the bigger clubs visit them?

Holds around 6k?

Would they get more than that playing in Dundee?

6k seems about the maximum old firm travelling crowd these days to the dump, Killie and Motherwell.....probably just under the 6.

They ain't gonna get 9 or 10k crowds playing the old firm in Dundee

Probably biggest benefit would be playing us in Dundee maybe turn a 3.5k crowd into 5 ISH.

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Arbroath chairman wanted us relegated to the bottom division at admin two if memory serves so it would have to a big 'get right tae' fae me

That rings a bell......they also have previous at duplicity with someone else but story escapes me at the minute ....something to do with too narrow a pitch

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Why would Arbroath have to ground share?

And their natural 2nd home would be the other East Angus mob surely.

All Premier League clubs must play at a football stadium which has a minimum of 6,000 seats. Gayfield probably has less than 1,000 seats in its Main Stand with standing room only throughout the rest of the ground. It would cost Arbroath FC a fortune to install seating up to the minimum number of 6,000 individual seats for what could only be one season playing in the Premier League.
That is why Gretna played their home games at Fir Park, Motherwell. ICT played their home games at Pittodrie, Aberdeen as the minimum number of seats for Premier League clubs at that time was 10,000 but it was subsequently reduced to 6,000. I suspect that this reduction was introduced to accommodate Greater Glasgow football club Hamilton Accies whose New Douglas Park stadium has just over 6,000 seats including one stand that still looks like a temporary stand.

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That rings a bell......they also have previous at duplicity with someone else but story escapes me at the minute ....something to do with too narrow a pitch

Brechin City’s pitch is too narrow to meet current UEFA requirements. However the chances of Brechin City playing in an UEFA football competition are somewhat slim.

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Before the Scottish premier league started, Ian Gellatly , spent over £20,000 ponds on plans for an all seater stadium,
Long before any other Scottish club had thought of it.
If it was possible to revamp Dens Park at that time, don't see why it can't be done now.
Would be interesting to see those proposed plans now.
Even Ron Dixon had plans for an ice rink under the Derry.

It should not be too difficult to find out what lies underneath the South Enclosure. A local firm of structural engineers could carry out investigations. It is whether the club have the will to do so.
Even if what lies underneath the South Enclosure is not able to support a new all seated stand it should not be too difficult to install suitable foundations to solve the problem.
There might have been the same problem with the Provie Road end which was constructed at the same time as the terracing where the South Enclosure was covered in 1959.
I think that a new all seated stand on the site of the South Enclosure including the club offices, hospitality lounges and restaurants accessed from Dens Road would look stunning.