ot unvaccinated nhs staff

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

''Why do surgeons wear masks if they are so useless?''.....so blood doesn't spurt in their face/mouth during operations, thought everyone knew that.

Reason the surgeons wear masks, in case tha wakes during operation, & it goes wrong, tha can't identify them.

[CAMiller]

It's the old "tiger repellent" thing.

Every day I spray myself with tiger repellent and I haven't been attacked by a tiger once, therefore it's very effective and I'll keep spraying myself with it.

The vaccines and the masks can fall into this category.

Climate change is similar, say it's man-made and who can prove otherwise?

A bit of a strange analogy because I know I haven't been out much lately but I haven't seen reports of millions of tiger attacks on the news but just in case can you provide a link where I can get some from

[great_fire]

A bit of a strange analogy because I know I haven't been out much lately but I haven't seen reports of millions of tiger attacks on the news but just in case can you provide a link where I can get some from

It's a famous example of a logical fallacy.

Like with the masks, someone wearing one every day and they don't get Covid so they believe the mask is protecting them from Covid, but that's not necessarily the case, it could just be like carrying a rabbit's foot, plenty of people who wear masks all the time have got Covid.

And with the vaccines, everyone I've spoken to who got Covid after being vaccinated believes they would have got it worse if they hadn't been vaccinated, but as IDS says, that isn't necessarily the case either, because the people I know who got Covid in 2020 had pretty much the same symptoms.

[CAMiller]

It's a famous example of a logical fallacy.

Like with the masks, someone wearing one every day and they don't get Covid so they believe the mask is protecting them from Covid, but that's not necessarily the case, it could just be like carrying a rabbit's foot, plenty of people who wear masks all the time have got Covid.

And with the vaccines, everyone I've spoken to who got Covid after being vaccinated believes they would have got it worse if they hadn't been vaccinated, but as IDS says, that isn't necessarily the case either, because the people I know who got Covid in 2020 had pretty much the same symptoms.

I'm under no impression that I won't eventually get Covid. However, I'm fully vaccinated, wear a mask when in public places and try to keep my distance from people without being maniacal about it. In the past 12 months I've flown over 20,000 miles, used buses and trains, stayed in hotels, eaten in restaurants, drank in pubs, shopped in supermarkets and attended sports events with 30,000+ crowds. Either my vigilance or luck has obviously played a part and I just hope that when I do catch it the vaccination does it's bit to help me survive (as statistics generally seem to point towards it doing so).

[KerrAvon]

It's a famous example of a logical fallacy.

Like with the masks, someone wearing one every day and they don't get Covid so they believe the mask is protecting them from Covid, but that's not necessarily the case, it could just be like carrying a rabbit's foot, plenty of people who wear masks all the time have got Covid.

And with the vaccines, everyone I've spoken to who got Covid after being vaccinated believes they would have got it worse if they hadn't been vaccinated, but as IDS says, that isn't necessarily the case either, because the people I know who got Covid in 2020 had pretty much the same symptoms.

I wouldn't go on about logical fallacies too much, gf

[LincsMiller]

What if a hospital cleaner refused to use disinfectant because it made her fell a bit queasy ?, a porter won't wheel an old lady down to X-ray because the rays might harm him? Simple, get another job

[CAMiller]

What if a hospital cleaner refused to use disinfectant because it made her fell a bit queasy ?, a porter won't wheel an old lady down to X-ray because the rays might harm him? Simple, get another job

A bit stereotypical there Lincs with regards who's doing the cleaning

[Shark27]

That's the big issue, the knock on effect. Would I care if the person doing my surgery was jabbed? No. Would I care I wasn't able to get life saving surgery because they were off ill when they didn't need to be? Yes.

The surgeon would be off work whether they had been jabbed or not.

There is also a small chance that they could be off for longer than necessary if they don’t have the jab.

There is 100% chance that they would be off if they had been given the sack!!!

[gm_gm]

I already answered this. Of course that is a flaw of the metric of recording covid deaths as within 28 days of a positive test that would inflate the numbers for examples like you describe.

But you've got tunnel vision... it works both ways. There are also deaths of people who had covid but didn't test positive that aren't included in those figures. Also those that died as a result of their covid after the 28 day period.

There's no perfect metric.



This admission is extraordinary and shows how disconnected from reality you have become by whatever information you've been consuming.


Can we agree that a less contentious metric we have is the number of excess deaths compared to the average we'd expect?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

Here we can see that from Mar 16th 2020-Jan 9th 2022 we have seen an excess of 152,260 deaths compared to the official covid figure of 150,230.

I'd love to see your explanation for this and whatever cognitive dissonance you come up with. The simplest explanations are often the best... just maybe you're misinformed?

I’m connected with reality John, the ONS have confirmed what sensible people thought.

If you think that people who were run over by a bus died of Covid so be it

[Slimchance]

taking part in medical experiements is a personal decision and attacking people that don't because based on risk assessment and personal reseach using their right for informed consent is something that our fathers and grandfathers fought for. One of the few things that came out of WW2 was the Nuremberg code, and forcing vaccinations and medical experiments on people was stopped. We have to protect personal freedoms and liberties. I worked for 5 years in the Clinical Trial business and I know how to look at the data and how to assess risk of drugs and treatments and let me tell you this, there is not enough data on these experimental vaccines and what has been forced to be realeased following the US court hearings should scare the crap out of you, this is all about rich people getting richer and NOTHING to do with health, this is about making people dependent on large pharma for the rest of your lives. I suggest before people start wanting to sack people and discriminate against people and support a government that wants to force the citizens it is supposed to represent into medical experiements you turn off your TV news, stop buying newspapers and pick up the scientific articles and data and some history books and see what is happening here. Also check out the wording of the recent Police act and the proposed changes to the UK Human Rights act and then you will see what the establishmnet has in line for you, your children and your gand children, that is ALL parties. Please don't let those bas****s turn us against each other and divide us, think outside the box and support each other when we exercise our freedoms and our rights, because next time it could be YOU

I dont disagree with what you have put, could you put your qualifications down please, as I hope you are a doctor and not the tea lady at the clinical test facility.
Hopefully you can help us plebs understand the data better.