Ardley an improvement

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More importantly, a "very special few" thought Ardley would have us in the relegation places in the league above. Some of us at a very early stage in his tenure. At least one of us managed to pay for a season ticket or two by putting our money where our mouth is.

"Those crazy guys lol".

At least those 'very special few' made a realistic and not a ridiculous prediction.
Do you think the fact that both his predecessors that season also had us in the relegation zone was the big clue? Lol

Even after 30 years of season tickets in the Main/Derek Pavis Stand I've never viewed buying a season ticket as putting my money where my mouth is. I called it (financially) supporting the club and wanting to watch games whilst living in Nottinghamshire.

For me putting your money where your mouth is when you for example you put a bet on at the start of the season that a side will get promoted, relegated or finish top 7. But each to their own.

You've mentioned quite a few times about lowering the bar. Who exactly?

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A significant number came down with us. So it’s hardly a fair stat. And relegated players are usually out of form so rarely plucked for higher levels.

How many were playing at that level or above the season before? I’ll give you a clue, nearly all of them.

The club was a shambles. But all three managers should have done better than 18th with that lot. The bookies certainly thought we’d do better than 18th. Didn’t you?

Matt makes a very good point I am not sure having 30+ players to chose from in the scenario he accurately describes should be viewed as a positive or advantage.

I do however agree with Don's last paragraph. The club was indeed a shambles, and all 3 managers should have done better than they did.

Maybe it illustrates perfectly that if it's a complete sh!tshow off the field it's likely to translate to a complete sh!tshow on the field and it certainly was from first game to last under all 3 managers tenures that season.

[Elite_Pie]

Even after 30 years of season tickets in the Main/Derek Pavis Stand I've never viewed buying a season ticket as putting my money where my mouth is. I called it (financially) supporting the club and wanting to watch games whilst living in Nottinghamshire.

For me putting your money where your mouth is when you for example you put a bet on at the start of the season that a side will get promoted, relegated or finish top 7. But each to their own.

That comment obviously went completely over your head. That's exactly what I meant by putting my money where my mouth is - the season tickets were funded by bets on Notts to go down at 33/1 after Yeovil stuffed us at home and at 20/1 after Newport did the same.

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It's hardly a surprise you've got to give a little more of a clue chap. We can't be expected to remember what individuals bet back in 2018/19.

Interesting that you had a bet on a Notts relegation after only 3 games that season with Kevin Nolan still firmly in charge. Sounds like you had a hunch well before Kewell and Ardley were appointed. Noted.

[Elite_Pie]

Interesting that you had a bet on a Notts relegation after only 3 games that season with Kevin Nolan still firmly in charge. Sounds like you had a hunch well before Kewell and Ardley were appointed. Noted.

I call it spotting value rather than a hunch. I thought the chances of us going down at that point were around 10/1, so 33/1 was great value.

Like the top 7 bet I alerted you to before the season started.

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Matt makes a very good point I am not sure having 30+ players to chose from in the scenario he accurately describes should be viewed as a positive or advantage.

NA did sign 11 of them.

So he must have thought there was some advantage to having more players at the club. Sol didn’t have that option. And yet did a lot better.

And we are still waiting an answer from Matt (who may also be Chicken Balti Pie) on where he expected us to finish? As he thinks we would have over achieved to finish 18th?

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I call it spotting value rather than a hunch. I thought the chances of us going down at that point were around 10/1, so 33/1 was great value.

Like the top 7 bet I alerted you to before the season started.

You thought 10/1 after just 3 games of the season. Hmmmm, impressive. Turned out to be great value.

After the disastrous winless start to the season under Nolan I think many had a hunch not long after your bet that the season would be a real struggle.

Yes thanks for that alert, I put my money £135 where my mouth was. You could call it a bold bet Around that time I was told by one non-gambler on here that it wasn't a a good bet because of the odds (5/6) and the fact it was a season long bet. I can't remember who it was but I don't think he was a seasoned gambler lol.

Its good to alert people to value and offer tips, I did so Santini (50/1) for the Grand National. A comfortable E/W made it a profitable day for anyone who took tip.

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NA did sign 11 of them.

So he must have thought there was some advantage to having more players at the club. Sol didn’t have that option. And yet did a lot better.

And we are still waiting an answer from Matt (who may also be Chicken Balti Pie) on where he expected us to finish? As he thinks we would have over achieved to finish 18th?

He had to cos the ones he inherited from Nolan/Kewell weren't doing the business. Call it a sign of desperation which proved to be very apt.

Sol did a lot better than NA, HK and KN and a fair few managers of other clubs in the lower half of the table. Nobody is going to argue that surely?

[The_Don_ORiordan]

He had to cos the ones he inherited from Nolan/Kewell weren't doing the business. Call it a sign of desperation which proved to be very apt.

Sol did a lot better than NA, HK and KN and a fair few managers of other clubs in the lower half of the table. Nobody is going to argue that surely?

You would hope not. So are you of the same opinion as Matt, that 18th would have been an over achievement given that squad over a season? (Just 10 points more than we actually got)

A squad that at the time NA took over had been above Macc and had been better than them for over 3 months?

You can’t ignore the **** show that was the chairman. But as I said originally, to deny that all 3 managers underperformed with the talent they had is just bonkers. To say that NA over achieved is taking this far beyond reality.

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No I wouldn't agree if looking exclusively looking at the squad.

However in hindsight I'd say 18th would have been an over achievement with what was happening with the club that season. Put it this way can you identify 5 clubs who were run worse and had more off-field problems than Notts? I can't.

Every squad was above Macc and for good reason following their one win lol. Every club including Yeovil and Notts should have finished above them based on squads.

But just look at that table after 18 games we had the joint second lowest number of wins, highest goals conceded, 2nd worst goal difference and joint 2nd worst points total. All this from a starting point of 5th the previous season. We were in decline from the second game of the season.

Like I said all 3 managers underperformed, all 3 failed. It's all too convenient to choose to forget the roles and impact the earlier 2 managers and moreso the chairman had that season.

Having a unmotivated, fractured, imbalanced, bloated, ultimately unhappy squad as a result of struggling all season and having 3 managers before Christmas isn't an advantage. That's also bonkers IMO.

Delighted we get to talk about Neal Ardley yet again over a year after he left the club and and nearly 3 years after that disastrous season