📝 New Manager [Luke Williams Appointed]

[BCnotts18]

Looking at the list of managerial odds, Paul Hartley stands out as someone to look at for me. Only 45, got Cove Rangers from the Scottish League 2 to the Scottish Championship within 3 years.

Id much prefer someone like that than the like of Tisdale or Jackett. We say that we need players who are on the up and not journeymen coming to the ends of their careers, surely that has to apply to managers too.

[Jampie]

I for one hope they recruit another unexpected unknown that they have confidence will be excellent.

Why? Because Ian getting poached by a League One team is a massive sign that he was an excellent coach at this level, and a signal that the Reedtz brothers' strategy is working, or at least workable.

I mean the plan was to grow the club's net worth by getting in undervalued players with potential and training them up / giving them experience, right? Well we just did that with a head coach. I call that a win.

Unfortunately it inevitably means we won't be quite as organised as we otherwise would be on day one of next season, but that's life. With any luck, they'll get someone in who's even better than Ian (and frankly Ian's stats say that he was indeed very good).

So overall, I hope they repeat the strategy as it's a net positive to the club in the long term.

[the_anticlough]

I for one hope they recruit another unexpected unknown that they have confidence will be excellent.

Why? Because Ian getting poached by a League One team is a massive sign that he was an excellent coach at this level, and a signal that the Reedtz brothers' strategy is working, or at least workable.

I mean the plan was to grow the club's net worth by getting in undervalued players with potential and training them up / giving them experience, right? Well we just did that with a head coach. I call that a win.

Unfortunately it inevitably means we won't be quite as organised as we otherwise would be on day one of next season, but that's life. With any luck, they'll get someone in who's even better than Ian (and frankly Ian's stats say that he was indeed very good).

So overall, I hope they repeat the strategy as it's a net positive to the club in the long term.

Good logic.
And hope there's better motivation, flexibility, judgement next time.
For example, if we hadn't picked second stringers and turned up at Aldershot we would've had a different play-off opponent

[nw6pie]

I for one hope they recruit another unexpected unknown that they have confidence will be excellent.

Why? Because Ian getting poached by a League One team is a massive sign that he was an excellent coach at this level, and a signal that the Reedtz brothers' strategy is working, or at least workable.

I mean the plan was to grow the club's net worth by getting in undervalued players with potential and training them up / giving them experience, right? Well we just did that with a head coach. I call that a win.

Unfortunately it inevitably means we won't be quite as organised as we otherwise would be on day one of next season, but that's life. With any luck, they'll get someone in who's even better than Ian (and frankly Ian's stats say that he was indeed very good).

So overall, I hope they repeat the strategy as it's a net positive to the club in the long term.

I'm with you.

You could also argue that the way the club have advanced IB's career is an attrractive sign for any ambitious young manager wondering whether he - or she? - wants to work at Notts. To me, it says do a good job here and your career will progress accordingly.

The fact that fans are split on whether IB actually did a good job shows what a zero-sum game we're in: promotion = success, not promotion = failure. Nothing is that binary, though, and the bigger test for me is whether the club's ethos of a head coach slotting into an existing system - is viable.

Logic says it makes a lot more sense than starting afresh every time you bring a new manager in, but only if the flaws are being recognized and corrected.

[nw6pie]

Whether fans like it or not football is evolving at an alarming rate. The advent of data in the game has created a whole new career path and it’s the same for coaching. People with little or no professional playing experience can now follow an educational pathway that sees them become competent coaches.

I spoke with someone today who said he knows academy players that are already enrolling in coaching courses in case they fail to secure a career playing professionally.

There is obviously now a clear career development pathway for aspiring coaches/managers.

Thanks for that. I'm off to see which young English managers in their 30s are currently working in Scandinavia.

[Davy500]

I for one hope they recruit another unexpected unknown that they have confidence will be excellent.

Why? Because Ian getting poached by a League One team is a massive sign that he was an excellent coach at this level, and a signal that the Reedtz brothers' strategy is working, or at least workable.

I mean the plan was to grow the club's net worth by getting in undervalued players with potential and training them up / giving them experience, right? Well we just did that with a head coach. I call that a win.

Unfortunately it inevitably means we won't be quite as organised as we otherwise would be on day one of next season, but that's life. With any luck, they'll get someone in who's even better than Ian (and frankly Ian's stats say that he was indeed very good).

So overall, I hope they repeat the strategy as it's a net positive to the club in the long term.

Ian,s stats show he was crap, two 5th place finishes, 2 loses in the playoffs ,

[Jampie]

Ian,s stats show he was crap, two 5th place finishes, 2 loses in the playoffs ,

Finished in the playoffs twice, those are good stats.

[pravda_plc]

Interesting. General question: would you say there’s an obvious grooming ground for new managers - or head coaches, to be more accurate? Is it “the PE teacher” type - as dismissively described here and on Twitter - where it’s coaches who’ve studied the game but never played at a high level, and are working in academies/under 23s?

We seem to be long past the stage where old players were the first names to be bandied about by fans whenever a new manager was required.

I'm astonished that some Notts fans wanted to put IB down because he was QUOTE: a "P.E. TEACHER TYPE MANAGER".

Did those same Notts fans think that Neil Warnock was a born loser because he had been a chiropodist, ar that Nigel Adkins was a born loser because he had been a dentist.

Somebody's previous occupation has absolutley no relevance on how they perform as a football coach / manager. Case in point, most fans would say that Bobby Charlton was a damn good footballer but he was an absolute no-hoper as a manager, lasting just the one season at Preston North End...

[Carlton_Pie]

Kenny Jackett. Knows the ups and downs of managing a football team, articulate and well known in the football world.

Quoted odds of 8-1.

I wouldn't take odds of 80/1 0n Jackett, doesn't suit the owners model one bit

[nw6pie]

I'm astonished that some Notts fans wanted to put IB down because he was QUOTE: a "P.E. TEACHER TYPE MANAGER".

Did those same Notts fans think that Neil Warnock was a born loser because he had been a chiropodist, ar that Nigel Adkins was a born loser because he had been a dentist.

Somebody's previous occupation has absolutley no relevance on how they perform as a football coach / manager. Case in point, most fans would say that Bobby Charlton was a damn good footballer but he was an absolute no-hoper as a manager, lasting just the one season at Preston North End...

We also had a genuine former P.E. teacher as manager who did alright for a while in the early 90s.

You've only got to look over the river - don't stare directly, of course, otherwise you'll go blind - to see the difference between the "old school" manager and the new head coach approach. Agent Hughton was taking Forest into League 1, as per the brief. Steve Cooper might be taking them into ... actually, I feel too sick to finish that sentence.