Saturdays game cancelled [re. 10.09.22]

[GranthamPie]

It’s nothing to do with my life being better… it’s to do with democracy and it being 2022… not 1066. I don’t want to live in a country where the monarchy have been turned into a tourist attraction for medieval revivalist and cap doffing pheasants… for Christ sake have more respect for yourselves!

I know my history… and this royal charade should have ended in 1649.

[upthemaggies]

Just an honest question, do the anti monarchists think their lives would change for the better without a royal family, and if so, why. Also would any of the aforementioned people, swap their lives for that of a royal.
Regarding Klopp, he knows if he asked the Liverpool fans to show respect at tonight's game, he would be out of a job.
I accept everyone is entitled to their opinion on the monarchy, but surely during a period of mourning, they could manage to keep those opinions to themselves.

There is a strong feeling on Merseyside for more than one reason, but I felt Klopp could have played it down it the middle, referred the fans to the Man City idiots spoiling the Hillsborough tribute and made it clear that they are all representing Liverpool FC blah blah blah.
From what was played, he didn't really do any of that and left the door open for them to do what they want without risking him condemning them for it.

I think we only have to look over to the USA to see that homelessness and poverty isn't eradicated by being a republic. Sweden and Holland both have royal families and are relatively egalitarian. So I think conflating the monarchy with people living on the streets is a very weak argument indeed, but it plays on emotions and whips up feeling to get people on your side.

Agree with Grantham on the censorship issue. The police claim it's inciting trouble but you could make that argument against the other side to justify slimming the whole thing down to a minimum to avoid rubbing people's faces in it who don't agree with it.

[cher1]

Just an honest question, do the anti monarchists think their lives would change for the better without a royal family, and if so, why. Also would any of the aforementioned people, swap their lives for that of a royal.
Regarding Klopp, he knows if he asked the Liverpool fans to show respect at tonight's game, he would be out of a job.
I accept everyone is entitled to their opinion on the monarchy, but surely during a period of mourning, they could manage to keep those opinions to themselves.

For me, it's not about whether my life would be better (why would royalty impact on my personal life?), it's the principle of having a head of state who is afforded great privilege based on birth not merit and there being an expectation of subservience should I ever cross that person's path.

I also strongly believe that no-one needs to 'keep their opinions to themselves'. We can all be respectful to each other whilst vehemently disagreeing. That doesn't mean keeping quiet.

In a recent legal case Lord Justice Bean and Justice Warby stated: “Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having.”

The police warning a man who had a blank sign in his hand makes my blood run cold.

[Elite_Pie]

Just an honest question, do the anti monarchists think their lives would change for the better without a royal family, and if so, why.

I think my life would be better without a royal family. For starters, I wouldn't have to suffer this incessant grovelling and faux grief whenever one of them dies. Also, I would have watched Notts play Bromley last Saturday, which I'll now probably miss if it's rearranged quickly.

Also would any of the aforementioned people, swap their lives for that of a royal.

Never in a million years.

[laddo]

"I also strongly believe that no-one needs to 'keep their opinions to themselves'. We can all be respectful to each other whilst vehemently disagreeing."

Although I'm all for free speech and I agree with your sentiments I'm going to put that belief down as a real 'stretch'.

There is evidence as long as your arm of disrespect when disagreeing on this platform.

[upthemaggies]

For me, it's not about whether my life would be better (why would royalty impact on my personal life?), it's the principle of having a head of state who is afforded great privilege based on birth not merit and there being an expectation of subservience should I ever cross that person's path.
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I get your point, but what constitutes merit when it comes to being installed as head of state?

PM's usually hold office with less than 50% of voting aged people electing them into the role having made their ascent securing the safest of seats representing specific communities with whom they most easily relate, before winning a general election largely based on party politics rather than who they actually are and what they personally believe in and how they conduct themselves.

Thatcher and Blair aside, most PM's soon get found out and the two I've just mentioned are hated by large swathes of the population to a far greater degree than any monarch.

Nobody is going to be better schooled in representing an entire nation than somebody born into it, they're literally learning the ropes from the moment they leave the womb.

[crazyfists]

I saw the reports this morning about people being arrested for shouting innocuous comments and one for someone holding up a blank piece of paper!.. puts to bed any idea we live in the free, liberal society as some suggest.

The queuing through the night to see the coffin is not showing respect… it’s ghoulish and macabre. Most of it is people (and tourist) wanting to say.. “they were there”… horrible stuff to me.

I’ll stay silent tonight… I’ll show respect but there’ll be no national anthem singing from me.

I’ll be glad when this fairground sideshow is over.

I don't mind having a royal family but if we didn't then it wouldn't be a big deal, I do think though the Queen was someone to be respected. What has annoyed me is people being arrested for shouting anti royal comments, this is a massive misstep and quite frankly embarrassing for the police. All the TV coverage has gone down to BBC 1 pretty much which is good but at the same time anti royalty viewers won't be happy to pay their licence fee for it.

[upthemaggies]

I don't mind having a royal family but if we didn't then it wouldn't be a big deal,

You could end up with hereditary politics, see Clinton's,, Bush's, Kennedy's and talk of Michelle Obama, D Trump jnr running for office. We've never had any interest in Mark Thatcher or the Blair children going into politics, because there's not a golden celebrity ticket for that here, we have the royal family to obsess over if we're interested in how children of heads of state will turn out and all of the family drama that goes with it.

Back to Liverpool, King Kenny has spoken along with The Hillsborough Survivors Support Alliance, so hopefully tonight will pass without incident and the FA will look a bit silly for overreacting.

Sir Kenny Dalglish has joined a support group for survivors of the Hillsborough disaster in urging Liverpool fans to respect Tuesday night's minute’s silence in memory of the late Queen Elizabeth II.

The Hillsborough Survivors Support Alliance posted a message on social media warning of an emotional backlash against Liverpool supporters if there is any dissent before Tuesday’s Champions League group tie with Ajax.

“Everyone attending tonight’s match, please show respect and observe the minute’s silence,” read the Twitter post.

“You probably think that any backlash won’t affect you, but it will affect us and family members with the increase in abuse over Hillsborough. Respect costs nothing and that goes both ways.”

And club legend Dalglish, who was knighted in the Queen's Birthday Honours list in 2018, has echoed that call in a message of his own.

Dalglish, quoting from the Supporters' Alliance message, tweeted: “Respect costs nothing and goes both ways.” Brilliantly put. I hope everybody at Anfield can respect these wishes tonight. KD"

[Elite_Pie]

"I also strongly believe that no-one needs to 'keep their opinions to themselves'. We can all be respectful to each other whilst vehemently disagreeing."

Although I'm all for free speech and I agree with your sentiments I'm going to put that belief down as a real 'stretch'.

There is evidence as long as your arm of disrespect when disagreeing on this platform.

You must have read cher's post differently to me. I read "We can all be respectful to each other whilst vehemently disagreeing" as it is possible to strongly disagree in a respectful manner. You seemed to read is as suggesting that we are all respectful when disagreeing on here, which clearly isn't the case.

[cher1]

"I also strongly believe that no-one needs to 'keep their opinions to themselves'. We can all be respectful to each other whilst vehemently disagreeing."

Although I'm all for free speech and I agree with your sentiments I'm going to put that belief down as a real 'stretch'.

There is evidence as long as your arm of disrespect when disagreeing on this platform.

If you reread what I wrote, I think you've got a bit confused. I didn't say I believe that people on here are respectful (I didn't even mention this forum) but that I believe no-one needs to keep their opinions to themselves.

Nor is it a a stretch to say that people can be respectful to each other. It's a choice we all make...