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[countygump]

I caught the last 20 minutes of the game against Villa on Monday and it was turgid stuff.

Gawd, wasn't it just. Villa surprised me, they could have won that game but seemed to opt to go for a draw.

[Elite_Pie]

Sack head of sacking. Check.

Does that mean the head of sacking sacked himself?

[laddo]

Does that mean the head of sacking sacked himself?

Yup lol. He fell on his sword, it was his final act.

[crazyfists]

What a bizarre way to run a football club. Keep it up Marinakis!

I caught the last 20 minutes of the game against Villa on Monday and it was turgid stuff - a reminder of how many attritional, unattractive games there are in the Premier League between struggling sides desperate to avoid relegation.

I wonder how enjoyable the experience must actually be for fans of these clubs in the bottom half (being given the runaround by the top sides, with little hope of competing; scrapping for points against rival mediocrities). Ditto those yo-yoing between the Premier League and the Championship like Norwich and Watford. But this is the set-up the Premier League has willingly created.

Agreed with this about being a bottom half Premier club or yo yo team. I suppose a yo yo team gets to have a good season every couple of years but teams like Southampton, who's objective is to not get relegated every year, their fans must get sick of it. Sometimes you get lucky with new owners or a good manager but the manager will leave and the new ownership could go tits up. It's not much fun. The championship is getting a little like that as well but you can get in the playoffs occasionally being an unfancied team. At least at Notts we could go up but we also could go down, sometimes both views in the same season. I feel though with the stadium and being in Nottingham, even in the championship with the right conditions we could go for the playoffs. At least we're probably going to go up before we go down ha ha.

[nw6pie]

I’d rather be where they are instead of watching Notts beat Woking in front of 3k fans.

It’s not a Premier League creation. It’s been around for decades that clubs will find a natural division to be in that is tough. Look at the league we are in at the moment, teams with dosh at the top end, teams with no dosh struggling at the bottom - Torquay included.
It’s been said on here that our ‘Natural’ league position is probably L1 - with some saying bottom part of Championship. Would any of us take a season or 2 watching Notts scrap for points to stay in the Championship? In a heart beat IMO. I’d say Forest are Championship, bottom part of Prem. That’s not hindsight, it’s decades being one of the biggest clubs in the Championship. It was always likely at some point they’d hit jackpot, and they have.

What price hitting the jackpot, though? For Forest fans, lots of Monday night football and, so far at least, very little to cheer. That might change given how many mediocre teams there are below the top six/seven clubs, but is it too outlandish to claim that a neutral might see more entertaining football from the home team at Meadow Lane than the City Ground this season?

I know Sheffield United fans who say they prefer being in the Championship to the Premier League. At least there they're likely to see their team win and play attacking football there; in the Premier League, it's invariably backs-to-the-wall stuff. And as someone else suggested, how much fun do Southampton fans actually get from seeing their team scrape by each season? Wolves seem to have settled into a similar rut as well.

[laddo]

I know a Saints fan but I have not specifically asked him how much fun he gets with their seasons in the Premier League, when I went to Stamford Bridge and saw them turn over Chelsea the full away allocation seemed rather happy that day. They tend to average 30,000 at St Marys so soudns like enough of them are having enough fun and entertainment.

Personally I would prefer to go and down divisions rather than just stay in the same one in mid/lower table without being relegated but the attendance figures throughout the PL are superb, I read that the average attendance as a proporation of stadium capacity was over 90% throughout the league. So PL has absolutely no issues filling the stadiums regardless of games on TV and not playing on Saturday at 3pm.

As for Wolves, they've had 3 top 10 finishes in their 4 seasons since promotion back to the big time. That's very impressive in such a competitive league, this season has been different, a goalless, funless nightmare so far. Hopefully that changes in their next match

[Notts78]

What price hitting the jackpot, though? For Forest fans, lots of Monday night football and, so far at least, very little to cheer. That might change given how many mediocre teams there are below the top six/seven clubs, but is it too outlandish to claim that a neutral might see more entertaining football from the home team at Meadow Lane than the City Ground this season?

I know Sheffield United fans who say they prefer being in the Championship to the Premier League. At least there they're likely to see their team win and play attacking football there; in the Premier League, it's invariably backs-to-the-wall stuff. And as someone else suggested, how much fun do Southampton fans actually get from seeing their team scrape by each season? Wolves seem to have settled into a similar rut as well.

ML and the CG will have games that are entertaining. Take our last 2 home games as a small sample size. The Wrexham game IMO opinion would have been entertaining as it had almost everything. I would suspect it was on a par with Forests victory against WHU (who hit the word work a few times). Ahhh then there was little old Altrincham… fcuk me was that a poor game to watch in which Notts plodded to a victory thanks to a 5 minute spell in the first half.
I’d ask your Sheff Utd mates at what point in the season of winning games they’d want to lose games to make sure they don’t get promoted. I suspect they sing along about being promoted, especially at the moment. Personally I think it’s BS that any fan of any football club doesn’t want there team to be promoted in case they get battered week in week out. Also ask your Sheff Utd mates also how they finance the winning Championship football they are watching at the minute - if they say anything other than Premier League money they are lying.
I suspect if we ran a poll of what division would you like to watch Notts play in - realistic fans would probably say L1. Then there are those like me who would love nothing more than to see Notts at the top table - I don’t demand it, but everyone has a dream right?

[BigFatPie]

Interesting discussion. The Forest fans I know are generally resigned to a season of struggle and defeat, after all they have already played 3 of their ‘easier’ games at home and taken 1 point. They are more concerned with what will happen with all these expensive players when they’re back in the championship. I don’t think any of them would swap a season in the Prem for anything though.

Even though we’re still in the NL Notts have in recent seasons felt like a club on the up, partly because of the settled ownership, but also because we’ve won so many more games than we’ve lost. We’re stuck in a bottleneck, but when we eventually do get promoted there’s no reason why we can’t challenge in League 2, though someone like Stockport have surprisingly struggled so far. 4 promotion places instead of 2 should make it easier. It’s boring being mid table in any league, we got bored with one season there in League 1 under Curle and he got sacked because of falling attendances. I think our limits under the current ownership are probably Rotherhamesque, quite capable of getting up to the Championship, but struggling to ever stay there.

[countygump]

Best team in non-league? I thought they were playing us?

[crazyfists]

I know a Saints fan but I have not specifically asked him how much fun he gets with their seasons in the Premier League, when I went to Stamford Bridge and saw them turn over Chelsea the full away allocation seemed rather happy that day. They tend to average 30,000 at St Marys so soudns like enough of them are having enough fun and entertainment.

Personally I would prefer to go and down divisions rather than just stay in the same one in mid/lower table without being relegated but the attendance figures throughout the PL are superb, I read that the average attendance as a proporation of stadium capacity was over 90% throughout the league. So PL has absolutely no issues filling the stadiums regardless of games on TV and not playing on Saturday at 3pm.

As for Wolves, they've had 3 top 10 finishes in their 4 seasons since promotion back to the big time. That's very impressive in such a competitive league, this season has been different, a goalless, funless nightmare so far. Hopefully that changes in their next match

Yeah agreed about turning over a top team. A lot of the teams have very good support from their loyal fans, I think part of the reason is it's the one area of peoples lives these days that are unpredictable (in the way live sport can be) and they can really let their passion/joy/anger out without someone looking at them funny. I also think for the 'smaller' clubs, what Leicester achieved gives them hope although that was before City and Liverpool took it up a gear. A lot of fans of the yo yo clubs enjoy going down as they get to have a season where they can be one of the top teams instead of the ones below the top 6 (or 7 now Newcastle are building)

As I say though you might have one or two good seasons where you have a good manager or the owners go for it but then the manager leaves, the good players get bought and the owners cut costs. I guess everyone is going for the Brighton /Brentford building if they're not bought by a regime. You can never really break though into the top without one though due to the constant churn.