Newcase United- v - Leeds United *** Matchday Thread***

[whitestomper45]

There are some positives but lots of frustrations too.

Pros

We sit in 14th
Our GD is better than those around us
We seem to pick up points in games when sometimes we shouldn’t
Meslier
Adams
Aaronson
Gnonto
Summerville

Cons

Many teams carve us open at the back and we rely on them missing chances rather than stopping the chance in the first place. We concede a lot of chances.

Obvious weak positions haven’t been addressed.

We have regressed with the ball we had one shot in target yesterday.

The tactics and simple and easy to counter. Jesse had the World Cup break to improve things and they seem to have got worse.

Jesse’s reading of the game seems poor - he also seems to be clueless at knowing when and whom to sub.

He doesn’t seem to give certain players a proper chance - Joffy, Drameh, Perkins, Hjelde etc.


His psychobable drivel is starting to grate.

Teams will be analysing us to death so unless he improves tactically we are more likely to struggle.

The contract extensions in recent weeks are incoherent with our youth player to first team gateway policy.

Still no sign of any ground improvement - the work should have started already.

The full takeover seems to be dragging on forever!

How does signing a contract extension to players in particular Struijk aged 23, have any effect on our youth? It's mainly about ensuring the assets don't walk away on a free.
I thought the tactics/subs weren't too far off yesterday as later on it was all about holding on for point.

Construction: If you remember, Arsenal's planned profits on selling Highbury and moving to a new ground were drastically hit by increased costs and drop in price of the planned apartments/homes they were building. It meant they had no big transfer budget for years and Arsenal dropped down the pecking order.
I would imagine costs of material, energy and materials have changed drastically since early 22, maybe that's part of the reason. Also seems an odd time to start ground improvements if there is a change in major ownership due... Though some clarity would be good?

I thought the tactics and subs were about right yesterday... given the prep time for the match

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

How does signing a contract extension to players in particular Struijk aged 23, have any effect on our youth? It's mainly about ensuring the assets don't walk away on a free.
I thought the tactics/subs weren't too far off yesterday as later on it was all about holding on for point.

Construction: If you remember, Arsenal's planned profits on selling Highbury and moving to a new ground were drastically hit by increased costs and drop in price of the planned apartments/homes they were building. It meant they had no big transfer budget for years and Arsenal dropped down the pecking order.
I would imagine costs of material, energy and materials have changed drastically since early 22, maybe that's part of the reason. Also seems an odd time to start ground improvements if there is a change in major ownership due... Though some clarity would be good?

I thought the tactics and subs were about right yesterday... given the prep time for the match

I was talking about Llorente, Cooper and Ayling in terms of contracts.

If you think the style of play and tactics are spot on then I am happy for you.

Not what I would personally call entertaining though - good the ball forward, win it back, create chaos and try to score - hmmmn

That we have scored the occasional good goal I think owes more to the quality of some of the players than tactical design.

RB Leipzig got it about right with Jesse I fear we won’t.


The highbury to emirates position was not at all analagous. The bought a new plot of land in north London and built a wonder stadium from scratch.

We are redeveloping our ground.

If you listen back to what Radz and especially Kinnear said we would be redeveloping this season and have one stand underway - no signs of that this season nor at the moment next.

As I said to me it feels like stasis which is not to undermine previous good work.

They just need to let the 49ers complete the rest of the purchase and start running the club as at the moment we are in limbo.

[george_kaplan]

I was talking about Llorente, Cooper and Ayling in terms of contracts.

If you think the style of play and tactics are spot on then I am happy for you.

Not what I would personally call entertaining though - good the ball forward, win it back, create chaos and try to score - hmmmn

That we have scored the occasional good goal I think owes more to the quality of some of the players than tactical design.

RB Leipzig got it about right with Jesse I fear we won’t.


The highbury to emirates position was not at all analagous. The bought a new plot of land in north London and built a wonder stadium from scratch.

We are redeveloping our ground.

If you listen back to what Radz and especially Kinnear said we would be redeveloping this season and have one stand underway - no signs of that this season nor at the moment next.

As I said to me it feels like stasis which is not to undermine previous good work.

They just need to let the 49ers complete the rest of the purchase and start running the club as at the moment we are in limbo.

He joined a ship what was sinking, give him some time, he has had one transfer window and bought with the funds he has been told to work with, some half decent players. Not saying he is the be all and end all, but who is? You never say.
2nd shot at this league and we’ve struggled on like a bunch before us, give him some time, he will know the drill.

God I’m so glad I watched and grew up with football as I knew it, not like these days of instant success or your out on your ass and give us your money or I’m not playing….

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

He joined a ship what was sinking, give him some time, he has had one transfer window and bought with the funds he has been told to work with, some half decent players. Not saying he is the be all and end all, but who is? You never say.
2nd shot at this league and we’ve struggled on like a bunch before us, give him some time, he will know the drill.

God I’m so glad I watched and grew up with football as I knew it, not like these days of instant success or your out on your ass and give us your money or I’m not playing….

I don’t want instant gratification and have often been accused of being a happy clapper.

There were a few managers I would have preferred who we could have got at the time - Potter, Franks, Pochettino (if we had waited for the summer), Corboran or more controversially I wouldn’t have sacked Bielsa..

We don’t seem to string runs of wins together and the tactics are just crap and not progressing.


I don’t mind Jesse the person but he isn’t the real deal Orta and the board said he was.

[cherrypie7]

He joined a ship what was sinking, give him some time, he has had one transfer window and bought with the funds he has been told to work with, some half decent players. Not saying he is the be all and end all, but who is? You never say.
2nd shot at this league and we’ve struggled on like a bunch before us, give him some time, he will know the drill.

Thats the point George. He does have half decent players, some even moderately decent. Yet since the world cup break, the team hasn't produced much in attack. Against City we played 4-3-3 and looked awful going forward. Not sure what we played against Newcastle. He subs off at around 70 min, Ayling, who was having one of his better games with Rasmus Kristensen, who almost immediately gets beaten all ends up. And again 2 min later. He also subs off gnonto, who was the only leeds player who appeared to be able to run at the Newcastle defence for Summerville. Why not try to play them both? They have combined well for goals. Its baffling.
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[whitestomper45]

Thats the point George. He does have half decent players, some even moderately decent. Yet since the world cup break, the team hasn't produced much in attack. Against City we played 4-3-3 and looked awful going forward. Not sure what we played against Newcastle. He subs off at around 70 min, Ayling, who was having one of his better games with Rasmus Kristensen, who almost immediately gets beaten all ends up. And again 2 min later. He also subs off gnonto, who was the only leeds player who appeared to be able to run at the Newcastle defence for Summerville. Why not try to play them both? They have combined well for goals. Its baffling.
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Get a grip some of you, since the break we've played the 2 money bag state owned teams in the league...Hopeless the Highbury analogy is right in that their figures at start and end of construction were well wide of mark, just as the last 12 months have skewed most business plans.... maybe we should just spend, Ridsdale again anyone??

[Rev72]

Great point for us - fully expected us to lose as most did.

Really need to beat West Ham now.

[george_kaplan]

Thats the point George. He does have half decent players, some even moderately decent. Yet since the world cup break, the team hasn't produced much in attack. Against City we played 4-3-3 and looked awful going forward. Not sure what we played against Newcastle. He subs off at around 70 min, Ayling, who was having one of his better games with Rasmus Kristensen, who almost immediately gets beaten all ends up. And again 2 min later. He also subs off gnonto, who was the only leeds player who appeared to be able to run at the Newcastle defence for Summerville. Why not try to play them both? They have combined well for goals. Its baffling.
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Two hard games mate, two totally ways to play them. It seems we played hard against N U and also agains City, we were chasing the ball both games, not pretty and easy to pick apart our weaknesses (including the manager). 70 min we were probably getting tired and tiredness becomes injuries. A gamble. I don’t mind gambles if they pay off. We have games now thick and fast…btw both games played in inclement weather (not a excuse).
N U game was to get a point at best, steal 3 even better, that time of game, keep running you bollox off and don’t let them score. Just my opinion. We did both.

[george_kaplan]

I don’t want instant gratification and have often been accused of being a happy clapper.

There were a few managers I would have preferred who we could have got at the time - Potter, Franks, Pochettino (if we had waited for the summer), Corboran or more controversially I wouldn’t have sacked Bielsa..

We don’t seem to string runs of wins together and the tactics are just crap and not progressing.


I don’t mind Jesse the person but he isn’t the real deal Orta and the board said he was.

Any of your choices come with a guarantee?

Second season in, I don’t expect miracles just yet, change of manager, players in and out, injurious and WC break. He may not be the chosen manager, so be it, but he needs more time. So old fashion George boy

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Nothing ever comes with a guarantee, especially not in football.


March has had I think 30 games for us - won 9 drawn 7 and lost 14. Watching us live exposes the weaknesses you don’t see on tv when we are so compressed and narrow.

We seem to be getting worse not better.

He seems to see and read the game in a way that others don’t and not sure that is a good thing.

Big enough sample size of games to start to say he is not the one.

More importantly football is supposed to be entertaining to watch - what I have seen from him rarely is. Only my subjective view but I really don’t think he is the one. He may keep us up mainly because others are playing at least as bad.

His recent statements about improvements just have no factual basis