Quote Originally Posted by MarcusCole View Post
I generally don't take an interrest in industrial relations but from the little I have read about I wouldn't say they were Right Wing on this but rather will give somewhat grudging support to public sector workers but with a large topping of disapproval. Private sector workers seem to be treated as if they are the incarnate of evil. I will concede they probably lean right in this area.

I also agree that we need to keep talking about these things, it is only through dialogue that we can prevent things getting out of control. I've lived in the states and things are dreadful there. People rightly go on about how Fox is biased but forget all the other mainstream channels are equally biased towards the left. They (CNN etc) even go as far to call Black conservatives white supremacists simply for having the conservative viewpoints.

The failures of Trump are screamed out from CNN MSNBC et al while they cover up for the failing capacity of Joe Biden, then you get the failures of Biden are screamed out by Fox while they cover up Trump's incompetence. When I came back from the states and watched the news here I could see the BBC just trying to copy what CNN and NBC and MSNBC were doing in the states but having to be careful as there are rules they have to follow. When I watch stuff from GB news it just screams at me they are a bunch of amateurs but they do seem to be the ones trying to get other viewpoints across, probably because they are the ones causing waves.

My dad used to tell me the most important question is always - How do you know it isn't you that is wrong. I taken that to heart and like to look into how multiple establishments report on things. I find the Right wing media in most cases as bad as the left wing media with the exceptions of the Independant and the Grauniad, those sites just seem to push out click bait designed to make people angry.
Proved me completely wrong on my last question, fair play.

On industrial relations, it's always the same narrative, whether it's public or private sector or somewhere in between.

Management Suit: [reels off talking points without challenge]
TU rep: [tries to object]
Journo: [tells rep to be quiet]
Suit: [finishes points]
Journo: [asks TU closed, hostile question]
TU: [Tries to respond]
Suit: [Interrupts]
Journo: [allows interruption]
[Descends into confusing bickering]
Journo: "And we'll have to leave it there, thank you both".
[Even though TU rep's talking points haven't been heard]

Same on all channels. It's changed a bit with Mick Lynch because he's not afraid to go after the premise of the hostile question, and because he's box office. But in response, the questions have got more hostile.

I guess where I'd disagree is that I just don't see that CNN et al are the same as Fox. I'd quite happily concede that CNN might go harder on Trump than Biden, but to go back to OchPie's point about what impartiality is and isn't, Trump just did a lot more wrong than Biden. I don't see CNN pushing conspiracy theories about stolen elections or Obama not being American or whatever else the right wink crankocracy comes out with. It's very easy to look at the both and just decide that they must be equally bad in equal and opposite reactions, but I just don't think the evidence supports that conclusion. I can't think of any left wing equivalents to Qanon, birther-ism, stolen elections, or anything like that.

In a UK context, there are fringe left wing online media (The Canary, Novamedia (I think), and I tend not to take them terribly seriously either. But they don't have billionaire backers.