Ward, Bird and Wilson injured - out 6 -8 weeks

[Geoff Parkstone]

Did Arsenal need a chief scout to unearth Declan Rice or Real Madrid one to discover Jude Bellingham?

But they have them - and more and better ones than us.

Neither you nor I know which players have been evaluated, all we see is who has signed and the press b/s. The former is evidence. The latter is not.

[swaledale]

The principles I allude to are an example of something that has happened and rumours of things that may have happened. i.e. that something mentioned in the press is given any credence unless there is actual evidence to suggest otherwise. Its obvious that journo's are going to link Warne with former players and equally obvious that not all the links are true. In my world that doesn't equate to Warne having either a Rotherham bias or a restricted scouting radius - the fact we picked up 2 youngsters suggests we do look further afield as well.

I do think you have to remember both the situation and the league Derby are in.

We have a restricted budget, boring I know, but that limits the scope in players we can sign, both in terms of any transfer fee and also wages. Whilst a player on 20K a week may well be happy to travel from afar to play for a club one on £5k or less is likely to be more choosy - hence it is more likely in league 1 that players will be from within a fairly tight geographical area.

We are in league 1, yes one of the bigger clubs in league 1, but still, if you have an offer of a stable club in the championship or even one of Wed, Ipswich and Plymouth who have got promotion, then I'd suggest the latter 3 will prevail. Then there is as AF pointed out, the fact that£1k a week more for a smaller club might well be more attractive than the salary Derby can play.

GP's point about Arsenal and Chief Scouts sums it up - whats more they also have an army of scouts.

Until such times we get back in the championship, we will be bottom feeders, picking up the scraps that other clubs throw out or don't want.

[ramAnag]

Did Arsenal need a chief scout to unearth Declan Rice or Real Madrid one to discover Jude Bellingham?

But they have them - and more and better ones than us.

Neither you nor I know which players have been evaluated, all we see is who has signed and the press b/s. The former is evidence. The latter is not.

Jeez...please give me some patience pills. No, GP...of course Arsenal and Real Madrid didn’t need a scout, chief or otherwise, to ‘unearth’ Rice and Bellingham...that’s my point. You don’t need a scout to find players who are a) already proven or b) known quantities to the manager.

All I’ve suggested is that it would be nice, and possibly beneficial, if we spread our net a little wider. If you don’t agree or believe we’re already doing that...that’s fine.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I don't know how wide our net is spread, and nor, in my estimation do you. So what gives you the right to criticise based on a handful of signings and some press speculation.

That's all - you're having a go from a position of ignorance: not a good place for rational argument to start.

[ramAnag]

The principles I allude to are an example of something that has happened and rumours of things that may have happened. i.e. that something mentioned in the press is given any credence unless there is actual evidence to suggest otherwise. Its obvious that journo's are going to link Warne with former players and equally obvious that not all the links are true. In my world that doesn't equate to Warne having either a Rotherham bias or a restricted scouting radius - the fact we picked up 2 youngsters suggests we do look further afield as well.

I do think you have to remember both the situation and the league Derby are in.

We have a restricted budget, boring I know, but that limits the scope in players we can sign, both in terms of any transfer fee and also wages. Whilst a player on 20K a week may well be happy to travel from afar to play for a club one on £5k or less is likely to be more choosy - hence it is more likely in league 1 that players will be from within a fairly tight geographical area.

We are in league 1, yes one of the bigger clubs in league 1, but still, if you have an offer of a stable club in the championship or even one of Wed, Ipswich and Plymouth who have got promotion, then I'd suggest the latter 3 will prevail. Then there is as AF pointed out, the fact that£1k a week more for a smaller club might well be more attractive than the salary Derby can play.

GP's point about Arsenal and Chief Scouts sums it up - whats more they also have an army of scouts.

Until such times we get back in the championship, we will be bottom feeders, picking up the scraps that other clubs throw out or don't want.

Change the record, Swale. I know we’re in League One, I know we’re no longer ‘moneybags’ Derby, I know we’ve got a ‘restricted budget’ which limits the players we can bring in and I’ve never disputed those things.
I also know that you’ve spent the summer happily identifying possible targets, indeed I recall you writing on 4th June, long before out spat about the relative progress made under Rosenior and Warne, ‘I was impressed with the recruitment done last summer under tighter constraints, so no reason that player acquisitions won’t be quality’.
Let me know when you think that’s happened...hopefully it’ll be this week or at worst within the next eleven days.

[Andy_Faber]

Rooney isn't a WB by any stretch of the imagination and Warne currently plays with WB's, the 2 RWB which he brought in for that position are crocked, so we are back to where were last season, making do for possibly 10 weeks.

Except they have recruited 2 players from Rangers! one of whom might be on the fringes of the first team.

Whether the origin of the players brought in so far indicates anything other than these were the ones available for the positions he wanted to fill, of a certain quality (even if for a couple that remains to be seen on the pitch) and which Derby could afford is I would say impossible to gauge.

All well and good but your OP referred to RB not WB so QED

[ramAnag]

I don't know how wide our net is spread, and nor, in my estimation do you. So what gives you the right to criticise based on a handful of signings and some press speculation.

That's all - you're having a go from a position of ignorance: not a good place for rational argument to start.

GP...it’s a football forum and a thread about signings and the squads ability to cope with injury. Most of us aren’t exactly privy to all the details but at least I’ve seen our new acquisitions on the pitch. If we all kept quiet until we were fully appraised of all the relevant details there wouldn’t be a forum. So yes...some of what I’m hypothesising is from a position of ignorance, just as it is with you and everyone else on here.

[ramAnag]

Hopefully there’ll be something more definite to comment on, in terms of signings, during the coming week...until then...!

[swaledale]

All well and good but your OP referred to RB not WB so QED

Indeed.

[swaledale]

Change the record, Swale. I know we’re in League One, I know we’re no longer ‘moneybags’ Derby, I know we’ve got a ‘restricted budget’ which limits the players we can bring in and I’ve never disputed those things.
I also know that you’ve spent the summer happily identifying possible targets, indeed I recall you writing on 4th June, long before out spat about the relative progress made under Rosenior and Warne, ‘I was impressed with the recruitment done last summer under tighter constraints, so no reason that player acquisitions won’t be quality’.
Let me know when you think that’s happened...hopefully it’ll be this week or at worst within the next eleven days.

Well you may not have disputed the circumstances, but you've been whinging about not having as good a recruitment as last summer, yet we have brought in 8 players and apart from Waghorn who it seems was an opportunistic signing and may well surprise all of us including me I can't find fault in principle with any of them!

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you consider them not to be quality players? I am certainly happy with the business done to date, the issue is we need some depth in the squad and a striker, haven't disputed that, but thats not the same as we haven't recruited quality players.

We needed 2 wing backs, check. We needed a quality back up keeper, check, we needed new CB's check, a couple of strikers, 1 in another required, a creative midfielder (might just be Waghorn), so we are waiting on 2 or 3 more players, possibly 4 with the need for a player who can cover WB.

Just for the record, I haven't spent the summer identifying targets, I've posted rumours that have been in the media, on the internet plus the odd bit of gossip I've picked up. Generally always with the disclaimer that they are just that rumours for discussion and interest, I reckon if 25% turn out to be true then that's good going.

If people choose to believe that they are players that we have actually had an interest in, thats down to them and their credibility I've made no claims as to the veracity or otherwise of what I've posted, unless I am sure in which case I've said so.

I do know that we are supposedly close to signing a midfielder as I posted before the weekend, haven't a scooby do who the player is though.