Luke Pre Tranny.

[Elite_Pie]

It's a very dumb and transparent thing to do...''I'm giving you an ultimatum, playing well is good, 'agree or disagree?'
Being fit is good, c'mon, tell me 'agree or disagree' being unfit is bad 'agree or disagree?' you know, just in principle....''
And let's throw in World Peace while we're at it...

And do you even understand your own question, what's meant by 'acceptable'? Have the club cancelled a contract? transfer-listed anyone? Banished anyone to the youth team? None of those, so can we say that everything has been 'acceptable'?
A whole 6 weeks is devoted, and a physical team salaried, to take care of players' fitness, who run themselves into the ground for 10 months of the year and then take a rest. Who are you to throw around your 'inexcusables' and 'unacceptables'?

Everyone on here knows you're a very needy last-word merchant, so come on you, answer my question...playing well is good - one word AGREE or DISAGREE? (in principle).

AGREE. I agree that playing well is good.

To be honest, the rest of your posts on this thread come across as a bit weird. This all started when you intimated that Baldwin should be allowed to come back unfit because his goals against BW helped us to be promoted. I would disagree with that 100%. If you weren't actually saying that, we might be in agreement and we're both talking bollox.

[the_anticlough]

I think it was Baldwin who LW highlighted to the club to bring in as he had worked with him at MK dons and Bristol city possibly so I’m wondering if he knows what makes him tick and he’s a bit of a pet project for him.

Don't remember that with TAR...
Maybe you're right and he knows which players to slate and which to put his arm around. Hope so. LW is praised a lot for being a leader, so you have to appreciate that. Way better than previous managers, sharing the lead with a clique of senior pros and media cronies.
It's the fans I worried about, some latch on to things but don't put that jigsaw piece into the bigger picture and then you have to read about it all year.

[the_anticlough]

AGREE. I agree that playing well is good.

You might answer daft questions but I don't...

To be honest, the rest of your posts on this thread come across as a bit weird. This all started when you intimated that Baldwin should be allowed to come back unfit because his goals against BW helped us to be promoted. I would disagree with that 100%. If you weren't actually saying that, we might be in agreement and we're both talking bollox.

Language seems to be an issue here 'allowed' inexcusable' acceptable and unacceptable...they miss the point for me
I don't care all that much - that's for LW and his team of physios and coaches, and the 6 weeks of pre-season, to take care of. I've been saying all along that as fans it'd be weird (nice word) to want to get involved and want too much of a say on minor matters of internal team discipline. It's games like Boreham Wood, Wembley promotions, 107pts and fantastic play on the pitch that should be at the forefront of our minds.

It'd be a strange fan indeed who had forgotten about AB's 25yarder and 97th minute lifesaver and was banging on about a few points of BMI on June 25th. The physio can do that but I'd rather focus on the better things.

[TSANHO]

You might answer daft questions but I don't...



Language seems to be an issue here 'allowed' inexcusable' acceptable and unacceptable...they miss the point for me
I don't care all that much - that's for LW and his team of physios and coaches, and the 6 weeks of pre-season, to take care of. I've been saying all along that as fans it'd be weird (nice word) to want to get involved and want too much of a say on minor matters of internal team discipline. It's games like Boreham Wood, Wembley promotions, 107pts and fantastic play on the pitch that should be at the forefront of our minds.

It'd be a strange fan indeed who had forgotten about AB's 25yarder and 97th minute lifesaver and was banging on about a few points of BMI on June 25th. The physio can do that but I'd rather focus on the better things.

I’m sure you don’t mean to but it reads like because Baldwin had a good season and rescued us against B.Wood that all that is happening now is/can be forgiven. If it is true that he came back out of shape and his lack of fitness/sharpness/awareness is costing us in games this season then it can’t be argued that it is acceptable in any way.

It can be asked to remember how good he can be and not to jump on his back straight away….but nobody is doing that. It’s just being suggested that coming back out of shape and not ready for training is just not professional enough for who we are and what the club want to achieve. It’s nothing to do with forgetting what he did last year.

This is, of course, if he even did come back out of shape! I have the feeling LW has protected him in public somewhat.

[the_anticlough]

I’m sure you don’t mean to but it reads like because Baldwin had a good season and rescued us against B.Wood that all that is happening now is/can be forgiven.

What is this 'all' that is happening now', Tsanho, which, if I take your inference, cannot be forgiven?

I think this thread went beyond silly many posts ago and there are better things to do on a Saturday than waste any more time with it.

[Elite_Pie]

It's games like Boreham Wood, Wembley promotions, 107pts and fantastic play on the pitch that should be at the forefront of our minds. It'd be a strange fan indeed who had forgotten about AB's 25yarder and 97th minute lifesaver and was banging on about a few points of BMI on June 25th. The physio can do that but I'd rather focus on the better things.

All of those things are permanently etched into my mind. I celebrated them like a lunatic, kept re-living them throughout the summer, and will never forget them.

As I've said before, I was talking about the notion that any player who does really well should have enough credit in the bank to be allowed a bit of unprofessional behaviour. I don't agree with it and tried to discuss it, but you're probably right that it's not worth wasting any more time on.

[TSANHO]

What is this 'all' that is happening now', Tsanho, which, if I take your inference, cannot be forgiven?

I think this thread went beyond silly many posts ago and there are better things to do on a Saturday than waste any more time with it.

Yet here you are!

That was a bit harsh, it’s not silly….we’re only discussing Baldwins situation. It was said somewhere, as a rumour, that he came back to preseason out of shape and all I’m saying that if true perhaps this may explain his indifferent start to the season. I’m also saying that if true that it’s unacceptable and he should, and can, do better. I don’t think I inferred that it was unforgivable at all 🤔

It’s a footy message board, it’s not as if we’re bickering about….well, whatever used to happen in the handbags thread!

[matt_magpie]

Yet here you are!

That was a bit harsh, it’s not silly….we’re only discussing Baldwins situation. It was said somewhere, as a rumour, that he came back to preseason out of shape and all I’m saying that if true perhaps this may explain his indifferent start to the season. I’m also saying that if true that it’s unacceptable and he should, and can, do better. I don’t think I inferred that it was unforgivable at all 🤔

It’s a footy message board, it’s not as if we’re bickering about….well, whatever used to happen in the handbags thread!

Well it wasn’t a rumour it was inferred by LW in the pre first game training video.
I get what ACs saying, I certainly can forgive him and as I said he will be the one that loses out not Notts, I don’t think there is an issue just frustration from LW as he knows how good he could be.
You have to remember footballers are human beings not robots, they all have their quirks and that’s why you need a manager/coach that can man manage people.
Cantona use to get away with a lot apparently under Fergie but Fergie knew that he couldn’t constrain him like other players and he was also doing the business on the pitch.

[Magpies1959]

LW has spoken in the past about how he goes about things to make the squad a tight knit unit, and has mentioned that some things are 'non-negotiable', I think that coming back for pre season training in bad shape, is maybe one of those things, and feels the need to call AB out in public, as the best way to get a response from him.

Without being dramatic, I feel behind closed doors LW may have told Baldwin he is nearing his last chance, regards to his character, because if he is allowed to get away with silly sendings off, (twice) now, and coming back for pre season out of shape, it will cause unrest with the rest of the squad, which LW will not put up with. LW certainly cares for his players, and wants them to be the best they can be, but he does not suffer fools gladly I think. It will be interesting to see which way Baldwin goes, hopefully to get even better as a player for us.

[thefulltenyards]

I am a big fan Baldwin, I view him as our best defender. I know his lapses in concentration and overplaying are a concern to many fans. But to me he is a confident defender who is good in the air, does not struggle for pace and is very confident on the pall. Three key things LW wants in a defender. It's what I want to.

As pointed out LW knows him better than most he will know how to try to get the best out of him. And when he does, he is our best defender.