Steve Evans

[Masbroughstreet]

My point was that he was given time. The inference that we are a carousel of a club, like Watford, was harsh in that respect. Taylor wasn't because where were we heading? With what core? Short term survival is acceptable with an aging squad because it gives us the luxury of a windfall next season, failure with an aging squad leaves us with a lack of places to go. Warne didn't back himself into a corner where it felt survival or nothing. Whereas with Taylor it felt like if we went down we would be gutted throughout the spine of the side. And still would be, that's where the squad is.

Warne built a core of a squad that was either sold / moved on for progressive moves, or would then be sold / moved on for those moves. The likes of Crooks, Barlaser, Chieo etc. How we managed them can be debated, but we developed players that could / would go onto something 'better'. Who, in our current squad, is in that similar boat? Who are we developing that will undoubtedly make upwards moves? Viktor and CAM? Both brought in under you know who.

Who have we brought in since Taylor took over that looks at all likely to do that? I honestly can't think of anyone, not right now.

I'm not advocating Warne as better than Taylor, or vice versa, but the circumstances are different. The backing and the expectations as a result of the backing are different. The potential downside is bigger this time.

I'm rambling a bit but yeah.

Not rambling at all, a good post that talks a lot of sense.

[Redshank]

But what did we build in 5yrs, nothing.That’s why we are a yo yo club. T/S was happy with P/W because he didn’t rock the boat he wasn’t called Oliver but he soon jumped ship when he had the chance.If we go down there are some big teams in Lge1 it could be a long time before we get back.

Success always relative. Becoming a yo-yo club in the Championship is exactly what we did build!

The way that football is evolving with the financial disparity becoming even greater each season equates RUFCs last 5 years to being a success.

As far as I am concerned TS has lived up to his promise of incremental progress when he took over. I sincerely hope that he's got this right and sacking Taylor is the next step in our journey. Time will tell.

[MillersTime]

Success always relative. Becoming a yo-yo club in the Championship is exactly what we did build!

The way that football is evolving with the financial disparity becoming even greater each season equates RUFCs last 5 years to being a success.

As far as I am concerned TS has lived up to his promise of incremental progress when he took over. I sincerely hope that he's got this right and sacking Taylor is the next step in our journey. Time will tell.

I agree.

[Heliosphan]

Warne built a core of a squad that was either sold / moved on for progressive moves, or would then be sold / moved on for those moves. The likes of Crooks, Barlaser, Chieo etc. How we managed them can be debated, but we developed players that could / would go onto something 'better'. Who, in our current squad, is in that similar boat? Who are we developing that will undoubtedly make upwards moves? Viktor and CAM? Both brought in under you know who

Aside from Viktor and Cameron Humphreys, you could arguably add the likes of Odoffin, Nombe, Tiehi, Blackett and Rathbone. I think we're yet to see the best from most of those players and hopefully the next management team will develop them still further. If we do go down and we hang onto those players we've got the nucleus of a good team at L1 level.

[Townerslovechild]

Steve Evans will always split oppinion,he did before,he is now,would he be the best choice right now is hard to say as we have no idea who else might be in the frame,but out of the names mentioned I would fancy Wilder or Warnock,but he won`t be back.
Given the players we have left fit,to get us safe will take some doing,but far from impossible,there`s loads of games left,and quite a few poor teams in the league,and with that in mind,Taylor was as likely as anyone to keep us in the league.
Fans always love someone associated with the club to become the manager,but right now I can`t think of anyone who could save us in that vein,if we are serious about staying in the Championship then we`ve got to go for someone with experience at this level,now isn`t the time to gamble on someone untried at this level.
As always watching the Millers,it`s rarely dull !

[Jimmy Badfellow]

My point was that he was given time. The inference that we are a carousel of a club, like Watford, was harsh in that respect. Taylor wasn't because where were we heading? With what core? Short term survival is acceptable with an aging squad because it gives us the luxury of a windfall next season, failure with an aging squad leaves us with a lack of places to go. Warne didn't back himself into a corner where it felt survival or nothing. Whereas with Taylor it felt like if we went down we would be gutted throughout the spine of the side. And still would be, that's where the squad is.

Warne built a core of a squad that was either sold / moved on for progressive moves, or would then be sold / moved on for those moves. The likes of Crooks, Barlaser, Chieo etc. How we managed them can be debated, but we developed players that could / would go onto something 'better'. Who, in our current squad, is in that similar boat? Who are we developing that will undoubtedly make upwards moves? Viktor and CAM? Both brought in under you know who.

Who have we brought in since Taylor took over that looks at all likely to do that? I honestly can't think of anyone, not right now.

I'm not advocating Warne as better than Taylor, or vice versa, but the circumstances are different. The backing and the expectations as a result of the backing are different. The potential downside is bigger this time.

I'm rambling a bit but yeah.

I think it's a good post MillersTime.I sense the frustration in it that a lot of us feel at this time.Personally I think MT is a better manager the PW but ,for some reason,TS feels a change is needed.The problem for us all is that although we see decisions on the outside we see nothing of what is really going off on the inside. Warne was allowed THREE relegations (albeit his 1st was a bye). MT wasn't allowed 16 games into a season after suffering constant injuries after keeping us up,something that Warne never did.WHY? That is the question.

[MillersTime]

I think it's a good post MillersTime.I sense the frustration in it that a lot of us feel at this time.Personally I think MT is a better manager the PW but ,for some reason,TS feels a change is needed.The problem for us all is that although we see decisions on the outside we see nothing of what is really going off on the inside. Warne was allowed THREE relegations (albeit his 1st was a bye). MT wasn't allowed 16 games into a season after suffering constant injuries after keeping us up,something that Warne never did.WHY? That is the question.

I think it's because under Warne TS invested in a squad he hoped would be able to stay in this division.
Under Taylor he feels he has invested in a squad that should stay in this division.

As with many fans, we entered the season on the side of expectation, rather than hope. That is the key. It feels different.

Injuries have been so frustrating and unjust, but the squad still competes at home, even with the aforementioned. So Taylor has that reason to a degree, but how does he answer why a depleted squad can play at home but not away? You can't say injuries have crippled us but then be largely competitive when at home but polar when away. There is a mismatch there that isn't down to injuries. The injuries have meant we have one hand behind our back, the away form is killing us though.

[daveeed]

I think it's a good post MillersTime.I sense the frustration in it that a lot of us feel at this time.Personally I think MT is a better manager the PW but ,for some reason,TS feels a change is needed.The problem for us all is that although we see decisions on the outside we see nothing of what is really going off on the inside. Warne was allowed THREE relegations (albeit his 1st was a bye). MT wasn't allowed 16 games into a season after suffering constant injuries after keeping us up,something that Warne never did.WHY? That is the question.

My guess to the question is that PW never really pushed TS for funds and players, he was ok with make do and mend a lot of the time , but the difference with MT was that he did push TS and did get several expensive wage loans and several big money (for us) signings in. But so far it hasn’t worked , not consistently or with any signs of stable improvement and I think TS has been much less forgiving with Taylor because of that.
Someone posted that Taylor would probably have still been here if we had been relegated last season and I think that is probably true and the extra time in L1 could have given him the chance to overhaul the club as he wanted to.
I always liked what he had to say but something wasn’t right with his relationship to the squad or some of them and it was starting to show in interviews and on the pitch .

[Jimmy Badfellow]

My guess to the question is that PW never really pushed TS for funds and players, he was ok with make do and mend a lot of the time , but the difference with MT was that he did push TS and did get several expensive wage loans and several big money (for us) signings in. But so far it hasn’t worked , not consistently or with any signs of stable improvement and I think TS has been much less forgiving with Taylor because of that.
Someone posted that Taylor would probably have still been here if we had been relegated last season and I think that is probably true and the extra time in L1 could have given him the chance to overhaul the club as he wanted to.
I always liked what he had to say but something wasn’t right with his relationship to the squad or some of them and it was starting to show in interviews and on the pitch .

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Great post. I actually think,mongst the carnage,that we have lost a really good manager.I think he stood up to TS whereas maybe PW was more passive.Who knows! I made the point on an earlier post that no matter who we appoint,the odds are way in favour of us being in League 1 next season and MT would have been a really good manager for us.Anyway,let them get on with it.It's their money,not mine.

[Derbymiller]

PW gave us some good times but he was a bit fortunate at times. Sutton game, he said he had no idea about the extra time !! Amazing. Taylor gambled on a certain type of player and he was unfortunate and because they let him down. The next appointment has to be until the end of next season with a manager that could keep us up but otherwise has had L1 success