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[ramAnag]

Though, you being the champagne lefty you are, it’s a pre programmed shut down phrase, you drag out your ass when it suits.

What does that actually mean? What is a ‘champagne lefty’…and a ‘pre programmed shut down phase’ and how do you ‘drag (it) out your ass when it suits’? Genuine questions.

[Trickytreesreds]

What does that actually mean? What is a ‘champagne lefty’…and a ‘pre programmed shut down phase’ and how do you ‘drag (it) out your ass when it suits’? Genuine questions.

Self explanatory.

Champagne lefty, is someone with socialist espouses leftist views, while enjoying a luxurious lifestyle; One example might include Labour Party supporters who stereotypically live in more affluent areas and consume highbrow media.

Usual broadsides in an attempt to put down someone who doesn't agree with them being, racist/xenophobe/bigot/gammon/little Englander/Nazi

All launched with no evidence, yet designed to attempt to shame the victim into backing down.
Ironically, being very "Nazi" in it's design for dominance.

[ramAnag]

Self explanatory.

Champagne lefty, is someone with socialist espouses leftist views, while enjoying a luxurious lifestyle; One example might include Labour Party supporters who stereotypically live in more affluent areas and consume highbrow media.

Usual broadsides in an attempt to put down someone who doesn't agree with them being, racist/xenophobe/bigot/gammon/little Englander/Nazi

All launched with no evidence, yet designed to attempt to shame the victim into backing down.
Ironically, being very "Nazi" in it's design for dominance.

So…do you believe that Swale enjoys a ‘luxurious lifestyle’…and that all Labour supporters should live in poorer areas and watch/read ‘low brow’ media? That would be odd wouldn’t it? What do you mean by ‘highbrow media’ anyway?

I’ll accept that ‘gammon, little Englander and Nazi’ are generally unhelpful terms, but you, and those others I’ve mentioned, do display racist, xenophobic and bigoted characteristics. Doesn’t seem unreasonable to point that out, imo.

[Trickytreesreds]

So…do you believe that Swale enjoys a ‘luxurious lifestyle’…and that all Labour supporters should live in poorer areas and watch/read ‘low brow’ media? That would be odd wouldn’t it? What do you mean by ‘highbrow media’ anyway?

I’ll accept that ‘gammon, little Englander and Nazi’ are generally unhelpful terms, but you, and those others I’ve mentioned, do display racist, xenophobic and bigoted characteristics. Doesn’t seem unreasonable to point that out, imo.

No, wrong.
No one ever says to me, that is racist. No one ever says you cannot say that.
I do have a problem with Islam, but Islam is not a race, lets be clear about that.
You take the stance, that a different ethnicity to me, cannot be criticised, as it will be deemed "racist". That in itself is a problem. The grooming gangs proved that,
The xenophobe label, makes me piss myself. A person who strongly dislikes or fear foreigners? Engaged to a Thai girl, last long term girl friend was a native Canadian Indian. Yearh, I hate foreigners.

I call out what I see. You may not like that, but that is the way it is in a free country. It seems there are many here, that want such opinions shut down. The Scottish government is doing its best to accomodate that. Blasphemy laws will be next. B e careful how much of this you allow to continue.

BTW, I notice again that all your examples are particularly biased against white people. You even mention Diane Abbott getting some come here way, after every thing she slurs around. Oh the irony.

[ramAnag]

No, wrong.
No one ever says to me, that is racist. No one ever says you cannot say that.
I do have a problem with Islam, but Islam is not a race, lets be clear about that.
You take the stance, that a different ethnicity to me, cannot be criticised, as it will be deemed "racist". That in itself is a problem. The grooming gangs proved that,
The xenophobe label, makes me piss myself. A person who strongly dislikes or fear foreigners? Engaged to a Thai girl, last long term girl friend was a native Canadian Indian. Yearh, I hate foreigners.

I call out what I see. You may not like that, but that is the way it is in a free country. It seems there are many here, that want such opinions shut down. The Scottish government is doing its best to accomodate that. Blasphemy laws will be next. B e careful how much of this you allow to continue.

BTW, I notice again that all your examples are particularly biased against white people. You even mention Diane Abbott getting some come here way, after every thing she slurs around. Oh the irony.

What does ‘No wrong’ refer to? I asked if you thought Swale lived a ‘luxurious lifestyle’, what ‘high brow media’ means and whether you think Labour supporters should always live in poorer conditions and all you can say is ‘no wrong’?

Let’s not hide behind the ‘Islam isn’t a race’ card either. You don’t accept the concept of Islamophobia so what’s left? You clearly have a fear of Muslims which translates into dislike. You regard Muslims as being synonymous with terrorism and organised child abuse. There is, of course, a grain of truth in that because there are, undeniably, Muslim terrorists and Muslim child abusers. However there are also terrorists and, as MA has correctly pointed out, child abusers from many other areas of society so why single just one out?

I don’t know how many times it has to be pointed out to you that having two relationships with ‘foreign’ women doesn’t preclude you from xenophobia. History is full of examples of ‘conquerors’ taking ***ual advantage of native/local women - and no, I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing at all - but your repeated negative comments about Muslims and other immigrants certainly outweigh the fact that you’ve had the two relationships you speak of.

As regards Diane Abbott…I’m not a fan either, although her constituents appear to be. However the comments aimed at her were simply stupid. Like Claude Davis being my all time least popular Derby player leading to me concluding we shouldn’t sign another black player…which would be utterly ridiculous and undeniably racist, on top of which the comments about her being shot were repellently irresponsible.

[Trickytreesreds]

What does ‘No wrong’ refer to? I asked if you thought Swale lived a ‘luxurious lifestyle’, what ‘high brow media’ means and whether you think Labour supporters should always live in poorer conditions and all you can say is ‘no wrong’?

Let’s not hide behind the ‘Islam isn’t a race’ card either. You don’t accept the concept of Islamophobia so what’s left? You clearly have a fear of Muslims which translates into dislike. You regard Muslims as being synonymous with terrorism and organised child abuse. There is, of course, a grain of truth in that because there are, undeniably, Muslim terrorists and Muslim child abusers. However there are also terrorists and, as MA has correctly pointed out, child abusers from many other areas of society so why single just one out?

I don’t know how many times it has to be pointed out to you that having two relationships with ‘foreign’ women doesn’t preclude you from xenophobia. History is full of examples of ‘conquerors’ taking ***ual advantage of native/local women - and no, I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing at all - but your repeated negative comments about Muslims and other immigrants certainly outweigh the fact that you’ve had the two relationships you speak of.

As regards Diane Abbott…I’m not a fan either, although her constituents appear to be. However the comments aimed at her were simply stupid. Like Claude Davis being my all time least popular Derby player leading to me concluding we shouldn’t sign another black player…which would be utterly ridiculous and undeniably racist, on top of which the comments about her being shot were repellently irresponsible.

YOU ARE STILL DOING IT.
Islam is NOT A RACE, its a religion and ideology. One that promotes hate and direspect to gays/trans/ apostates/ blasphemas/jews/ and non believers.
Go to any mosque you like and you will hear that.
Muslims, follow that programming. I am not belittling the person, but I am belittling the religion they hold so dear.
One that induces them to hound/harrass/threaten and use violence against those, when they are daft enough to follow its teachings to the extremes.

The anti with Islam is climbing, year by year. You now see it on the streets and is working its way into politics.
You may sit sit there quietly and say nothing, when education/politicians/ Media is being singled out for threats and intimidation. But some of us don't.
This is the UK and West. The ideology being pushed is not in line with Western values.

It isn't just here either. Europe is waking up and taking a stronger hand to it. Perhaps they are all racist and xenophobic as well?

[Andy_Faber]

What does that actually mean? What is a ‘champagne lefty’…and a ‘pre programmed shut down phase’ and how do you ‘drag (it) out your ass when it suits’? Genuine questions.

As you seem to be asking on behalf of Swale, I'll comment on behalf of TTR

No issue with 'lefty', everyone is entitled to a world-view, but its a bit rich coming from the only person I'm aware of on this forum who (repeatedly) brags off about his wealth

'shutdown' refers to Swale's constant use of the 'conversation shutdown' playbook, use of slurs, insults etc - regretably for Swale its about as effective as Windows Millenium Edition, such behaviour is now in itself being called out for the blunt and lacking in depth instrument that it is

Even I can't quite work out the third sentence, reads like a line out of Jackie Brown

[ramAnag]

As you seem to be asking on behalf of Swale, I'll comment on behalf of TTR

No issue with 'lefty', everyone is entitled to a world-view, but its a bit rich coming from the only person I'm aware of on this forum who (repeatedly) brags off about his wealth

'shutdown' refers to Swale's constant use of the 'conversation shutdown' playbook, use of slurs, insults etc - regretably for Swale its about as effective as Windows Millenium Edition, such behaviour is now in itself being called out for the blunt and lacking in depth instrument that it is

Even I can't quite work out the third sentence, reads like a line out of Jackie Brown

I wasn’t asking ‘on behalf’ of anyone. I just didn’t understand.
I’ve always been puzzled by the expression ‘champagne socialist/lefty’…it’s as if having any sort of left of centre political stance should involve living like one of the old working class from a D.H. Lawrence novel and not doing is somehow betraying your left wing sympathies.

Curiously the best example of such political/lifestyle hypocrisy I can think of is Lee Anderson…started his political life as a Labour councillor…switched to the Tories…started spouting bigoted ‘I want my country back’ nonsense…got ditched by the Tories…joined Reform UK…takes that salary - while having been elected on a different ticket - and while also having enough time left apparently to earn £100,000 from GB News in the last twelve months. Infinitely more hypocritical than having centre left views and being relatively well off I’d have thought.

As for the ‘shutdown’ thing. Is that what it is? If someone takes offence at being called racist isn’t it an invitation to explain yourself further rather than a ‘shutdown’. Is Lee Anderson guilty of racism? I think so…yes. Is Tricky sometimes guilty of racism towards Muslims? In my opinion…again yes. Is that Tory donor, whose name I forget, but who said what he said about Diane Abbott guilty of a particularly stupid example of racism…imo, obviously and dangerously.
That’s not a ‘shutdown’ it’s an invitation to explain themselves further…if they’re capable of it.

Likewise, a bit, with you and your TV presenter thing. I don’t believe you to be overtly racist but I do believe that little obsession of yours to be tinged with a sort of old fashioned racism that one usually finds in people who can't/won’t think things through. I don’t think of you like that so why not talk it through? Why does it matter what colour or creed a TV presenter is?

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;40471873]I wasn’t asking ‘on behalf’ of anyone. I just didn’t understand.
I’ve always been puzzled by the expression ‘champagne socialist/lefty’…it’s as if having any sort of left of centre political stance should involve living like one of the old working class from a D.H. Lawrence novel and not doing is somehow betraying your left wing sympathies.

[QUOTE]

My response was personal to Swale, I find bragging off about wealth to be lacking in good taste but if the cap fits

As I said, views of any leaning are fine by me if supported by reasoned argument and respect for others and being left leaning doesn’t equate to any particular ‘class’ Any more

[Andy_Faber]

Likewise, a bit, with you and your TV presenter thing. I don’t believe you to be overtly racist but I do believe that little obsession of yours to be tinged with a sort of old fashioned racism that one usually finds in people who can't/won’t think things through. I don’t think of you like that so why not talk it through? Why does it matter what colour or creed a TV presenter is?

Not ‘tinged’ at all rA, I will say again, not only because it will hopefully put Swale in a rage but because it’s relevant, that my ‘family’ relationships, and those I recall from my schooldays, give me a series of experiences and perspectives that preclude me from what you would call ‘racism’. You’ll have to believe me on that. The long running spat I appear to have with Swale is actually nothing to do with ‘race’, and originates from a single post of mine from way back in maybe 2020 when Swale was proved wrong on a matter of fact, hence his constant bleating about it. You should know better than to support him when you don’t know the facts