Macca new captain

[upthemaggies]

Agreed, get behind the lads, clubs in a miles better place than it has been for pretty much all of this century, but reading through comments you wouldnt think so 😂

Our average final position since 1999/00 is 76th.
We've just finished 82nd.

[Old_pie]

Our average final position since 1999/00 is 76th.
We've just finished 82nd.

He didn't say highest position, he said " clubs in a miles better place than it has been for pretty much all of this century".

Remind us all of the ownership and financial stability over the past 20+ years.

[northpie1862]

Our average final position since 1999/00 is 76th.
We've just finished 82nd.

So you’d swap this for Guy Branston back at CB? Delroy Facey back up top? You are talking nonsense. Facts are, until we dropped into non league we were treading water in most seasons this century. *playing a style of football that is lightyears ahead of most of this centuries Notts teams btw.

[upthemaggies]

So you’d swap this for Guy Branston back at CB? Delroy Facey back up top? You are talking nonsense. Facts are, until we dropped into non league we were treading water in most seasons this century. *playing a style of football that is lightyears ahead of most of this centuries Notts teams btw.

Singling out two of the very worst of the 470 players who've played for Notts over the last 24 years doesn't alter the FACT that last season was below 20th century average.
Facts are objective not subjective. This is football not Figure Skating, you get no points for style and nobody jumps out of their seat to punch the air screaming with joy whilst looking at a balance sheet (not that ours are healthy, going by what was posted on here).

Finishing 30 places lower than our gate position suggests we're the 2nd worst run club in the football league, behind Bradford City.

99% of owners of any club will claim they they are "heading in the right direction" and "working towards sustainability" unless they're looking to sell it. Name one owner who has ever said "We have no plan, we're just wingin' it. We want to mix up our style of play every season and lose more money."

[Kent Magpie]

Finishing 30 places lower than our gate position suggests we're the 2nd worst run club in the football league, behind Bradford City.
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By your analysis we could never have be a well run club as we would have had to have finished mid-way up in L1 last season to achieve parity. You could flip the narrative and say we had the 48th highest gate in the country despite finishing in 78th position, so are well run in order to attract those crowds whilst under performing on the pitch.

Was Bradford the only team to finish over 30 places below their gate? Gates aren't solely based on position anyway. Other things contribute, such as style (entertainment), marketing, competition from other clubs and general 'feel' around a club. I don't think you can make the statement that we are the second worst run club based only on that metric. I am sure Morecombe fans at least would disagree that we are worse run than them.

In my view, this metric shows we are a well run club, but with an under performing / developing team. I would say a better metric of a well run club would be of year on year improvement based on a combination of gate, league position, turnover of players and improving financials (and I guess only the owners would be able to say what the last one looks like).

[marky]

I don't think there's any doubt we hugely underachieved last season but with the 2 new signings and the captaincy change it does feel like they're actively doing something to change that. I wanted promotion or at least a play off spot last season but it didn't happen so we've just got to do it next season.

[upthemaggies]

You could flip the narrative and say we had the 48th highest gate in the country despite finishing in 78th position, so are well run in order to attract those crowds whilst under performing on the pitch.
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Flipping it would mean Bournemouth and Luton are the two worst run clubs, finishing around 30 places higher than where their gates say they should be, which would make no sense whatsoever.

Man Utd have just won the FA Cup and qualified for the Europa League but their fans aren't happy. Most people will understand why that is, because they're the number 1 supported club and expect their league position to closely reflect that.
Nobody was in massive shock either that the club with the lowest support, FGR, have dropped back into the NL.

So yes, Notts should be upper L1 and if the current owners can't achieve that, or at least get close to it, then they can be added to our list of failures, regardless of how 'nice' they are.

[LilCrazyKim]

On-field success (or lack thereof) is obviously a good indicator of whether an owner is good or not but making that judgement based on individual seasons does have its risks because well run clubs will still have bad years and badly run clubs will still have good ones. One of our most successful seasons this century was 2009/10 and whatever your thoughts on the current owners, I'm sure we all agree they're better than the con artist who saddled the club with £7million of debt and then disappeared.

The important thing is whether you think things can improve off the back of a poor year.

[upthemaggies]

The important thing is whether you think things can improve off the back of a poor year.

Seemingly a lot here don't, at least as long as Maynard remains in charge.

If we were to have a "Where will we finish?" thread now, I'd go with 10th with half of posters next May arguing that "Maynard has improved us by 4 places and the defence is much more solid" and the other half pointing out "No, he's taken over a club in the play offs and turned us into mid-table fodder scoring less goals and less entertainment."

[northpie1862]

Singling out two of the very worst of the 470 players who've played for Notts over the last 24 years doesn't alter the FACT that last season was below 20th century average.
Facts are objective not subjective. This is football not Figure Skating, you get no points for style and nobody jumps out of their seat to punch the air screaming with joy whilst looking at a balance sheet (not that ours are healthy, going by what was posted on here).

Finishing 30 places lower than our gate position suggests we're the 2nd worst run club in the football league, behind Bradford City.

99% of owners of any club will claim they they are "heading in the right direction" and "working towards sustainability" unless they're looking to sell it. Name one owner who has ever said "We have no plan, we're just wingin' it. We want to mix up our style of play every season and lose more money."

This is the thing with ‘FACTS’ you can skew them however you want, if you want to lie to yourself and others on here and say that the general mood / buzz around the club isnt as good as its been for a long time - so be it.

Quoting stats about gate figures then making snipes about style is interesting, id think most sensible people on here would recognise the improved style of play has done a lot to increase the gate numbers over the Bros tenure.

You can keep screaming into the void about FACTS though, be my guest…