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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    No we were both right and I’m not up for another hair splitting ruck so subject closed

    Surely you can’t mean ‘the best’, it just wouldn’t be affordable, and I don’t mean a need to pay fees, I mean staffing and infrastructure. The workforce would need to at least double and that’s just an easy example.

    However as you say you know more about it from the state side than I do so I won’t pretend to be in the know


    I probably know more about it from both sides but we’ll let that one go for the moment.

    I said a couple of weeks ago that, having had cause to visit a very prestigious local Independent School recently, I was mightily impressed by the facilities on offer and while my motivation wasn’t jealousy, my aspiration was ultimately for all children to have access to such facilities in the same way that, ideally, I want all people to have access to the same quality of cancer treatment/care as the King and his daughter in law.

    Given the existing mindset you’re right…that doesn’t seem possible, but the imbalance has, imo, got to begin to be addressed. Why do people send their children to fee paying independent schools? Because they are all too often dissatisfied with the facilities/resources on offer at the state equivalent. Yet, at this moment in time, such an alternative is only available to somewhere between 5-7% of all pupils.

    So well in excess of 90% of our children are receiving a relatively sub standard education.

    MA asks who is in favour of charging VAT on school fees, possibly as one of the means of addressing the balance.

    On the basis that choosing to attend an Independent school is a luxury that relatively few can afford I would come down on the side of being in favour of such taxation.

    Then again, on the basis that those who are paying for fee paying schooling are actually reducing the burden on the taxpayer already by removing their children from the system to have them educated - at their own expense - elsewhere…I can see how they would feel unfairly done to.

    But then (then) again. Q. Where do the teachers who work in the Independent sector come from? A. They come from the state, because, as far as I know, there are no Independent training colleges or Universities set up to provide the teaching resources explicitly for Independent schools …so they are ‘poached’ /cherry picked from the state.

    Of course many young teachers will look at the endless playing fields, beautifully resourced IT suites, school’s own theatre facilities, magnificent science labs etc and think…I’ll have some of that. So three years of partially state funded training (in my day four years on a degree course) goes straight to the independent sector.

    Can that be right? I don’t think so and while I’m willing to be swayed either way on the VAT issue…as far as funding future teachers (and doctors and nurses) is concerned I’d make all the qualification costs entirely free on the condition that those who qualified then served a period of at least ten years working within state schools (or the NHS - please delete accordingly). Should they then wish to transfer to either the private health or education sector within that ten year period I’d then make either them, or their new employers, liable for the cost of all the training which enabled their initial qualification.

    It might all go some way to restoring a more equitable balance.
    Last edited by ramAnag; 24-06-2024 at 11:01 AM.

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