Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Again quite possible and it is fair to say that my experience is certainly ‘dated’…however it is something of a truism, imo, that the Independent/Private/‘Public’ school sector is primarily aimed at the well off. Beyond that we’ll have to agree to differ.

…but the tax change will only hurt those middle earners grafting to improve their kids’ chances, it’s an irrelevance to the swans milk-quaffing Quentins of this world. Still it will appeal to those who only think of the ‘headline - a ‘populist’ policy, who’d have thought it of Labour?

Criticisms aimed at the policy not you btw, and I think TTR’s missed the point that we are talking about education because that’s just the current subject matter

[Trickytreesreds]

…but the tax change will only hurt those middle earners grafting to improve their kids’ chances, it’s an irrelevance to the swans milk-quaffing Quentins of this world. Still it will appeal to those who only think of the ‘headline - a ‘populist’ policy, who’d have thought it of Labour?

Criticisms aimed at the policy not you btw, and I think TTR’s missed the point that we are talking about education because that’s just the current subject matter

I was actually taking the piss, lets not fall out the boat.

Talking of taking the piss, I do love the current Tory panic over reform. They even have Johnson at it, though he forgot to engage his brain before hurling the insult. Oh the irony at that attack.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-fara...122500050.html

[swaledale]

…but the tax change will only hurt those middle earners grafting to improve their kids’ chances, it’s an irrelevance to the swans milk-quaffing Quentins of this world. Still it will appeal to those who only think of the ‘headline - a ‘populist’ policy, who’d have thought it of Labour?

Criticisms aimed at the policy not you btw, and I think TTR’s missed the point that we are talking about education because that’s just the current subject matter

Well done guys! I mean my point was really the irony of a bunch of privileged and rich tw@ts making out that they are on the side of the "ordinary person" and being believed by rather poorer tw@ts bless them!

I note a comment about what Clarkson thinks, mm now who does he hang around with? Oh yes that bunch of tw@ts in Oxfordshire including "Lord" Cameron the guy who started the whole ****ing decline in the UK, not that it affects him of course with his millions from dubious foreign sources. So if thick people think his judgement is sound, again, bless them!

But as you've raised the tax on private schools, not sure who these middle earners are who are grafting to improve their kids chances, but if someone can afford to pay £5K a term to send their little darling to private school, another £1k isn't going to be unaffordable, I mean sure they might have to not go skiing at Xmas, but hey sacrifices have to be made!

Also given these people in the higher income bracket, are going to be living in wealthier areas where the state education system is going to be better, I really don't see what the issue is. Its not as if they are trying to avoid sending little Jill or Jonnie to a school in a deprived area is it?

And its not a populist headline Policy, its a way of funding state education with a tax, which the vast majority of voters won't give a toss about! Judging by the squeals coming from the right wing media, they have got that about right.

I mean whoever gets in, tax has got to be raised unless the magic money tree or the stupid and illogical "fiscal rules" Labour have imposed on themselves are ignored.

[ramAnag]

…but the tax change will only hurt those middle earners grafting to improve their kids’ chances, it’s an irrelevance to the swans milk-quaffing Quentins of this world. Still it will appeal to those who only think of the ‘headline - a ‘populist’ policy, who’d have thought it of Labour?

Criticisms aimed at the policy not you btw, and I think TTR’s missed the point that we are talking about education because that’s just the current subject matter

TTR invariably misses the point, nothing new there and I didn’t think your comments were aimed at me.

Really not sure it’s a genuinely ‘populist’ policy though. Hardly ‘dog whistle’ politics is it? If anything, MA’s clawing back the ‘Covid billions’ strategy, the sentiment of which I wholeheartedly agree with, might be considered far more of a vote winner than VAT on school fees.

You seem a little hung up on this…only attractive to ‘spiteful people’ thing. Don’t really understand why. There are genuine reasons for and against it which should, imo, be properly considered.

Anyway…not many more ‘spiteful’ people in the world than the aforementioned Clarkson and this forum is also proving to be a fairly unpleasant and spiteful ‘place’ to be at the moment. Only another nine days of electioneering to go.

[Andy_Faber]

TTR invariably misses the point, nothing new there and I didn’t think your comments were aimed at me.

Really not sure it’s a genuinely ‘populist’ policy though. Hardly ‘dog whistle’ politics is it? If anything, MA’s clawing back the ‘Covid billions’ strategy, the sentiment of which I wholeheartedly agree with, might be considered far more of a vote winner than VAT on school fees.

You seem a little hung up on this…only attractive to ‘spiteful people’ thing. Don’t really understand why. There are genuine reasons for and against it which should, imo, be properly considered.

Anyway…not many more ‘spiteful’ people in the world than the aforementioned Clarkson and this forum is also proving to be a fairly unpleasant and spiteful ‘place’ to be at the moment. Only another nine days of electioneering to go.

Don’t use catchphrases, makes you sound like Swale and I’m trying hard to differentiate you

If you don’t get the ‘spiteful’ comment you should get around social media more. Putting one’s head above the parapet with Tory-liking or even balanced opinions result in a torrent of abuse, VAT on school fees being one such. ‘Hung up’ is the wrong phrase, you’ll find I am more opinionated when I have, or have had, ‘skin in the game’

[ramAnag]

Don’t use catchphrases, makes you sound like Swale and I’m trying hard to differentiate you

If you don’t get the ‘spiteful’ comment you should get around social media more. Putting one’s head above the parapet with Tory-liking or even balanced opinions result in a torrent of abuse, VAT on school fees being one such. ‘Hung up’ is the wrong phrase, you’ll find I am more opinionated when I have, or have had, ‘skin in the game’

I’m afraid you rather rest my case.
You’re a moderator, the name is a clue. I couldn’t care less about your endless spat with Swale and I don’t think I’ve used a ‘catchphrase’ but please don’t start telling me what to do and what not to do…that really isn’t how this works.
Putting ‘one’s head above the parapet’ is always likely to result in some abuse from one side or the other and I guess ‘Tory-liking’, if that’s what you do, is likely to be particularly unpopular after the performances of the last few years and most recent leaders. Having said that, although I frequently disagree with you, I don’t think I’ve ever been guilty of abuse and perhaps the spitefulness you speak of is a damned good reason not to follow your recommendation and ‘get around social media more’.

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR invariably misses the point, nothing new there and I didn’t think your comments were aimed at me.

Really not sure it’s a genuinely ‘populist’ policy though. Hardly ‘dog whistle’ politics is it? If anything, MA’s clawing back the ‘Covid billions’ strategy, the sentiment of which I wholeheartedly agree with, might be considered far more of a vote winner than VAT on school fees.

You seem a little hung up on this…only attractive to ‘spiteful people’ thing. Don’t really understand why. There are genuine reasons for and against it which should, imo, be properly considered.

Anyway…not many more ‘spiteful’ people in the world than the aforementioned Clarkson and this forum is also proving to be a fairly unpleasant and spiteful ‘place’ to be at the moment. Only another nine days of electioneering to go.

Spiteful? I know you avoid the digital world of social media, but if you did look at it once in a while, you'd understand how wrong you are with your interpretation of spite.

The left infest it, with bile and hate and it gets mirrored in here, with the likes of Swale, to anyone, who dares to not back left ideals/ woke ideologies/ Palestine/ BLM/ and god forbid , attempt to praise anything from the Tory camp. The screams of racist/bigot/ little englander/gammon/ mysoginist/ islamophobic/ xenophobic/ echo through the internet. Its relentless and designed shut you up and remove your right to free speech and opinion.
Like this bloke got, just for being an England fan
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...aping-29368239

Khan bans England flags from taxis, claiming they are a distraction. Yet Police cars can be painted rainbow ccolours/ lamp posts adorned with palestine flags/ LGBTQ whatever flags strung across the road? Criticise it? Get your tin hat on.

Then again, when people like Rayner, can take a platform and yell Tory scum at a party conference, whipping up the natives, it is hardly surprising.
Same as the Farage, milkshakes. The left found it hilarious and memes ran through social media with loads of vile messages. Yet the day that changes and its acid, the silence will be defening.
We've already had 2 deaths from spite.

[swaledale]

Spiteful? I know you avoid the digital world of social media, but if you did look at it once in a while, you'd understand how wrong you are with your interpretation of spite.

The left infest it, with bile and hate and it gets mirrored in here, with the likes of Swale, to anyone, who dares to not back left ideals/ woke ideologies/ Palestine/ BLM/ and god forbid , attempt to praise anything from the Tory camp. The screams of racist/bigot/ little englander/gammon/ mysoginist/ islamophobic/ xenophobic/ echo through the internet. Its relentless and designed shut you up and remove your right to free speech and opinion.
Like this bloke got, just for being an England fan
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...aping-29368239

Khan bans England flags from taxis, claiming they are a distraction. Yet Police cars can be painted rainbow ccolours/ lamp posts adorned with palestine flags/ LGBTQ whatever flags strung across the road? Criticise it? Get your tin hat on.

Then again, when people like Rayner, can take a platform and yell Tory scum at a party conference, whipping up the natives, it is hardly surprising.
Same as the Farage, milkshakes. The left found it hilarious and memes ran through social media with loads of vile messages. Yet the day that changes and its acid, the silence will be defening.
We've already had 2 deaths from spite.

And so a very good example of somebody trapped in his own bubble who thinks that only his (I'd say opinions but Thicky doesn't have opinions only vague memes picked up from the tinternet, a bizarre sense that somehow the very people who exploit him, rip him and his felow voters off, are the ones that are going to disrupt him, oh well some people are dumb ) world view is being atatcked.

Social media is basically a series of echo chambers where those who think one way agree with each other and attack those who think differently, each left or right wing group spew the same *******s, with a few that have humour and don't take it seriously.

Of course the Reform bots are working overtime to spread lies, but only people with the IQ of gnat, i.e. Thicky believes this ****.

By the way, and this is the very last interaction i will have with you, I am neither left nor right on these matters, most political aprties or ideologies have some good things, though it is hard to put a finger on anything the Tories ahve done right recently but hey I guess there must be soemthing.

But really mate, you keep repeating whats been drummed into your thick skull, like wok ideology, no such thing except in the imagination of the right wing trolls that repeat it. And given Farage has made it his trade mark to peddle lies and stoke division, its not surprising that he reaps what he sows.

No tolerance for violence against politicians or anyone, BUT, it beholds politicians (not that Farage is one, a self obsessed, grifter conning the dim masses is what he is) to act and speak responsibly not whip up hate and division by spewing falsehoods.

Reform have no policies, no solutions and never will ahve, they represent, the old who think the world can be turned back to the 1950's, the thick who are looking for a scapegoat to blame for their own. largely self inflicted ills and the clueless who don't think, haven't a ****ing scooby doo, but think somehow this bloke is "one of us". So tell me if he is one of "you" how has he survived over the past couple of decades without a proper job? I mean you lot do that by fiddling your taxes and benefits obviously, but Farage, where does his money come from?


Now **** off and talk about stuff you have half a clue about, because your posts just demonstrate that a test for sentience should be applied to everybody before they can vote. Mind you vote reform and you've proven yourself to be an idiot and easily conned.

[Trickytreesreds]

And so a very good example of somebody trapped in his own bubble who thinks that only his (I'd say opinions but Thicky doesn't have opinions only vague memes picked up from the tinternet, a bizarre sense that somehow the very people who exploit him, rip him and his felow voters off, are the ones that are going to disrupt him, oh well some people are dumb ) world view is being atatcked.

Social media is basically a series of echo chambers where those who think one way agree with each other and attack those who think differently, each left or right wing group spew the same *******s, with a few that have humour and don't take it seriously.

Of course the Reform bots are working overtime to spread lies, but only people with the IQ of gnat, i.e. Thicky believes this ****.

By the way, and this is the very last interaction i will have with you, I am neither left nor right on these matters, most political aprties or ideologies have some good things, though it is hard to put a finger on anything the Tories ahve done right recently but hey I guess there must be soemthing.

But really mate, you keep repeating whats been drummed into your thick skull, like wok ideology, no such thing except in the imagination of the right wing trolls that repeat it. And given Farage has made it his trade mark to peddle lies and stoke division, its not surprising that he reaps what he sows.

No tolerance for violence against politicians or anyone, BUT, it beholds politicians (not that Farage is one, a self obsessed, grifter conning the dim masses is what he is) to act and speak responsibly not whip up hate and division by spewing falsehoods.

Reform have no policies, no solutions and never will ahve, they represent, the old who think the world can be turned back to the 1950's, the thick who are looking for a scapegoat to blame for their own. largely self inflicted ills and the clueless who don't think, haven't a ****ing scooby doo, but think somehow this bloke is "one of us". So tell me if he is one of "you" how has he survived over the past couple of decades without a proper job? I mean you lot do that by fiddling your taxes and benefits obviously, but Farage, where does his money come from?


Now **** off and talk about stuff you have half a clue about, because your posts just demonstrate that a test for sentience should be applied to everybody before they can vote. Mind you vote reform and you've proven yourself to be an idiot and easily conned.

lol, Once again it gets proved. insult/berate/ put down, silence him now! QED.

If only that was true though, that you will never answer me back again. You are a proven liar on this one topic as well. Your biubble knows no bounds, but that has been said before as well.


Back on topic before the village idiot kicked in.

Social media, is a vast platform. It is not a propaganda machine like the usual broadcastors. Facts/ statements can be rebuked/ covered/ discussed and not taken at face value like the BBC/Sky/Channel 4 do.
( the classic example of this, was discussed days ago, with Farage, after his blaming of the EU /NATO, for Putin in the Ukraine. They concentrated on that fact and rebuffed him, whilst ommitting the rest of the speech, condemming Putin and his immoral acts.

The MEDIA platforms themselves are intertwined with political parties and some are obvious, some are not. Murdoch is the great Satan of the working class and berated regularly. Yet it seems to be forgotten that Blair is godfather to Murdochs daughter and even Starmer likes attending his annual party, sipping his champagne.

Ironically REFORM have been classed the same as the Greens, getting 8% coverage despite, running at least 3rd in the ratings.
OFCOM it seems makes it up as it goes along as well. The highest level of due impartiality applies during the election period. During this period, political parties and independent candidates must be given due weight across a broadcaster’s TV and radio coverage. This means they must receive the appropriate level of coverage based on their past and current electoral support.
Luckily social media shows who gets talked about the most, despite not having millions of donation money tossed at it.

In fact it blows the others out the water, Considering how old this party is, that is amazing and despiter Swales contempt, highlights the real disgruntled voters out there, itching for change.

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