Southgate

[irishpete]

[QUOTE=matt_magpie;40533140]Couldn’t agree more. He played the 2 lads at the back in different games instead of the injured McGuire and they both played well, so it’s not incomprehensible a fit Toney or Watkins couldn’t do the exactly the same from the of start of games, feels like he only trusted Kane and it was misplaced as he was nowhere near match fit/sharp.[/QUOTE

Knowing th FA, they probably told Southgate he had to pick him if available due to sponsorships lining their pockets

[SinceSept1959]

Two good posts Irishpete .
Unfortunately Southgate was indeed a negative and stubborn manager as was Sven during his tenure before him.
A motivational manager would have seized those opportunities not shyed away from them .

[matt_magpie]

Two good posts Irishpete .
Unfortunately Southgate was indeed a negative and stubborn manager as was Sven during his tenure before him.
A motivational manager would have seized those opportunities not shyed away from them .

Whilst he did a lot of good things for me he was far too reactive than proactive. The team was knackered from a long season yet he started the same players and kept them on the majority of the games because he didn’t trust others.

[Lullapie]

Unfortunately I think she would be treated like other women. Maybe not initially by the media, but by a lot of people on social media. I think the media would follow, unless she was doing a fantastic job. At the first poor performance, some of the pundits would turn on her - “she doesn’t know anything about the men’s game, she’s out of her depth etc.”. All the misogyny and lack of respect for women would surface.

Sorry to be pedantic, but is it always misogyny when someone says that due to someone's $ex, they are not in a position to do the best job? In an ideal world, of course that wouldn't be a contributing factor, but unfortunately, we are all human beings (well most of us) and we all have a living brain (well most of us) and we can interpret why someone might not be good at a job. It's a big call to appoint someone to a role purely on their $ex. It happens a lot in business nowadays and the employees end up suffering because of it.

If the FA genuinely believe she is the best person in the world for the job - then go for it. However, if they are bandying her name around to tick boxes, then that is cruel to her and to England football fans.

As an aside, I played under a female football manager at Linby Athletic in the 90s for a short time. She had articles in many magazines written about her and I think she was even on TV comparing her to Cherie Lunghi's character, the Manageress. To be honest she was crap and although her husband played for the team and we all knew her well before she took over, it never worked out. There was that 'je ne sais quoi' about the whole situation. Don't get me wrong, I've played under some bad male managers, but don't call me a misandrist for saying it.

The women's game is nowhere near the level of the man's game - it may be one day, but certainly not in my lifetime and without the legalisation of performance enhancing drugs, I think it would be difficult to get it there.

It's funny, over here they are really pushing Male Netball. The national team is probably on a par with the women's team, but hardly anyone watches them. Netball is massive in New Zealand (like rugby - don't talk to me about minority sports), but very few self-respecting Kiwi males would pay to watch men play Netball - although they will pay to watch Men play Basketball. It's a funny old world.

[queenslandpie]

Sorry to be pedantic, but is it always misogyny when someone says that due to someone's $ex, they are not in a position to do the best job? In an ideal world, of course that wouldn't be a contributing factor, but unfortunately, we are all human beings (well most of us) and we all have a living brain (well most of us) and we can interpret why someone might not be good at a job. It's a big call to appoint someone to a role purely on their $ex. It happens a lot in business nowadays and the employees end up suffering because of it.

If the FA genuinely believe she is the best person in the world for the job - then go for it. However, if they are bandying her name around to tick boxes, then that is cruel to her and to England football fans.

As an aside, I played under a female football manager at Linby Athletic in the 90s for a short time. She had articles in many magazines written about her and I think she was even on TV comparing her to Cherie Lunghi's character, the Manageress. To be honest she was crap and although her husband played for the team and we all knew her well before she took over, it never worked out. There was that 'je ne sais quoi' about the whole situation. Don't get me wrong, I've played under some bad male managers, but don't call me a misandrist for saying it.

The women's game is nowhere near the level of the man's game - it may be one day, but certainly not in my lifetime and without the legalisation of performance enhancing drugs, I think it would be difficult to get it there.

It's funny, over here they are really pushing Male Netball. The national team is probably on a par with the women's team, but hardly anyone watches them. Netball is massive in New Zealand (like rugby - don't talk to me about minority sports), but very few self-respecting Kiwi males would pay to watch men play Netball - although they will pay to watch Men play Basketball. It's a funny old world.

You wrote the best part of a paragraph about the one bad female manager you played for in some detail and then mentioned in passing you had played for several bad male ones. So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist! I hope Sarina gets the job and shows Gareth up for the overly cautious defensively minded manager that he was. If nothing else it would be funny. On the balance of probability the chance of it happening is close to zero but I would definitely have her over any of the other current English managers who could be in line for the job. At least she actually won a final.

[Lullapie]

So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist!

You're assuming that because I said that I played for a bad female football manager that I am a misogynist? How the hell do you get that from what I said.

I also said that because I'd played for a few bad, male managers I wasn't a misandrist.

My comments were that if someone is appointed to a role because of their $ex, then that is wrong (and I'd find it patronising if I was female).

If you believe that Wiegman is the best person in the world that the FA could appoint for the England Manager's role, then you are deluded.

I'm sat here now writing this thinking to myself are you serious or just taking the pi$$.

Just tell me again how this works, in your mind. Let me ask you a question by the use of an example:

Your parents own a business and want to retire. You want to take over the business, but you're too young (sorry I am being ageist too in this example) so your family decides to appoint someone to run the business while you grow up, through the business.

Do they:

1 - Employ the best person out there to do the job or
2 - Employ someone on their $ex because people need to be given a chance in life, not because of their ability, but because they are being victimised against due to what $ex they were born.

Now if you pick the first one - you're a hypocrite. You'd be happy for someone to take an uncalculated risk with their money, but not with your inheritance.

If you pick the second one - you deserve all you get.

[nw6pie]

You wrote the best part of a paragraph about the one bad female manager you played for in some detail and then mentioned in passing you had played for several bad male ones. So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist! I hope Sarina gets the job and shows Gareth up for the overly cautious defensively minded manager that he was. If nothing else it would be funny. On the balance of probability the chance of it happening is close to zero but I would definitely have her over any of the other current English managers who could be in line for the job. At least she actually won a final.

Sarina also lost a major final where England were second best to a Spanish team, and has just scraped through the qualifiers for the next Euros. Funnily enough, I think the women’s team mirrors the men’s one in many ways - plenty of talented individuals, but quite a negative coach. And the one triumph was in a tournament on home soil where the final against Germany could have gone either way.

Let her carry on doing the job she was hired to do with the women’s team.

[queenslandpie]

You're assuming that because I said that I played for a bad female football manager that I am a misogynist? How the hell do you get that from what I said.

I also said that because I'd played for a few bad, male managers I wasn't a misandrist.

My comments were that if someone is appointed to a role because of their $ex, then that is wrong (and I'd find it patronising if I was female).

If you believe that Wiegman is the best person in the world that the FA could appoint for the England Manager's role, then you are deluded.

I'm sat here now writing this thinking to myself are you serious or just taking the pi$$.

Just tell me again how this works, in your mind. Let me ask you a question by the use of an example:

Your parents own a business and want to retire. You want to take over the business, but you're too young (sorry I am being ageist too in this example) so your family decides to appoint someone to run the business while you grow up, through the business.

Do they:

1 - Employ the best person out there to do the job or
2 - Employ someone on their $ex because people need to be given a chance in life, not because of their ability, but because they are being victimised against due to what $ex they were born.

Now if you pick the first one - you're a hypocrite. You'd be happy for someone to take an uncalculated risk with their money, but not with your inheritance.

If you pick the second one - you deserve all you get.

Firstly I didnt call you a misogynist. I called you a little bit of an accidental mysognist and it was very tongue in cheek, I just found it amusing that spent a whole paragraph defending that you were, slated the female manager you had in a fair bit of detail and then seemed to mention that a few of the blokes were duds as well. If you can't see my point in that then no worries.

I think we all agree that appointing someone to the role based on their *** is a daft idea. Even the mysognists amongst us.

Where did I say Sarina was the best person in the world? I didn't! I said I would prefer her over any of the current English male choices as they are all crap. Which I am sure you agree with me on.

As with previous posts of mine you have commented on I think you just need to read them a bit more carefully pal. I am not trying to trip you up or anything but you're jumping to huge conclusions! Cheers QP.

[Old_pie]

Sarina also lost a major final where England were second best to a Spanish team,

Maybe our female monarch didn't do us a favour when fending off the Spanish Armada. We could all now be on the winning side if it hadn't been for Queen Elizabeth I.

[SinceSept1959]

Whilst he did a lot of good things for me he was far too reactive than proactive. The team was knackered from a long season yet he started the same players and kept them on the majority of the games because he didn’t trust others.

I agree that Southgate was reactive more than proactive.
Playing the same players is disrespectful to the other players. The purpose of the squad is to cover injuries and allow for tactical changing opportunities. If a manager cannot trust his players he shouldn't have chosen them and certainly shouldn't undermine them.
GS making excuses for Kane that he was tired and carrying an injury beggars belief. The reality is that HK, as prolific as he has been, has often " gone missing" and underperformed in key matches and tournaments.
A similar story to Malcolm MacDonald who was rather barren at international level.
An article in The Mirror quoting Danny Dyer, (whose daughter is in a relationship with Jarrod Bowen,) claimed a lot of friction within the WAGS and families unhappy over the lack of game time for some players.
Being a manager is a burden of responsibility, choice of selection and keeping everyone happy is virtually impossible.
Stubborn tactics and a refusal to change when games aren't going well or when opportunities arise during the game defines a manager too.